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Old December 27th, 2008, 10:53 AM   #121
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Is HEV planning to get new trains?
No,I dont think they will get new trains in the close future. Gödöllő HÉV line will get new when(or better word,if) its get united with M2 metro,and the rest of the HÉV lines when they will be integrated into M5 metro.
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Old January 11th, 2009, 03:33 PM   #122
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Update!

So,the newest news is that the north TBM has been restarted,its 180 m away from Gellért station,the southern TBM is 80m away. They will be able to enter Gellért station by the end of February. Te north TBM will arrive first at Fővám station in April,because the station is is very behind schedule. After that,the servicing of the digging works will be relocated from Kelenföld station to Gellért station.

(Kelenföld -> Tétényi -> Bocskai -> Móricz -> Gellért -> Fővám -> Kálvin -> Rákóczi -> Népszínház -> Keleti).

(all pics are from metro4.hu)

The TBMs were stopped because the constructor of the tunnels "forgot" to get an approval for this connecting tunnel:


Kelenföld terminal station


Tétényi road station


Bocskai road station


Móricz Zsigmond square station


Gellért square station


Fővám square station


Kálvin square station


Rákóczi square station


Népszínház street station


Keleti terminal station
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Old January 12th, 2009, 03:09 AM   #123
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Here's a map about phase III:
HOW can a 2.1 km expansion with only 2 stations POSSIBLY cost 70 billion? this is incomprehensible to me, given that the 18 km expansion of the prague metro will only cost about 3x.

Furthermore, shouldnt it go closer to the housing estate? it should be a given. then turn it west and continue from there. the new 'gazdagrét' station should be within walking distance from the housing estate, especially for this pricetag
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Old January 13th, 2009, 12:02 PM   #124
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I have no idea. Even at worst case scenario,a station is "only" 7 billion HUF...It should be about 20 or less...

But I dont think we should compare to foreign metros,every case is different. Our project includes a lot of surface investments,2 TBMs,etc...
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Old January 13th, 2009, 03:55 PM   #125
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while it is true that every city is different, you must recognize that when prague builds a subway station surely they must take care of the surface as well

im not sure if the pricetag i quoted includes that, but i have a hunch it actually does

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M4 will only be meaningful if it continues WEST underneath Budaörs then down the path of M7 all the way toward east-Érd;*EAST all the way to Újpalota then terminates at M0 with a P+R
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i suppose its a bit like M3 between Újpest and Rákos station: it should also be a given that the subway should terminate at the railway station allowing for changeovers like KöKi
heck, the tunnel is already there, how much could it possibly cost to put in 2 km of track?
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Old January 13th, 2009, 04:38 PM   #126
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while it is true that every city is different, you must recognize that when prague builds a subway station surely they must take care of the surface as well
I mean that the price of M4 contains a depot,the reconstruction of Bartók Béla road,underpasses at Buda built previously,I think the connection of trams at Móricz square,Műegyetem embankment tramline,phase II of the line,and the resurfacing of Thököly road,AFAIk.

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i suppose its a bit like M3 between Újpest and Rákos station: it should also be a given that the subway should terminate at the railway station allowing for changeovers like KöKi
heck, the tunnel is already there, how much could it possibly cost to put in 2 km of track?
Actually,the tunnel only exists on M3 until the next stop(The signalisation of the next station was built in,on the right of the pic). 1km of tunnel would be needed to reach the railway station.

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Old January 28th, 2009, 12:12 PM   #127
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Breaking news! The first vehicles for line 4 arrived to Budapest tuesday night!


http://www.indohaz.hu/rovatok/hir/hvavasut/m4_20090128/






Other important news is that both TBMs have been restarted,the northern one already breached the wall of Gellért station. The other one will arrive shorty. After the main structures of the station are ready,they will leave about the end of February.


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i wonder if they bouth them on truck all the way from poland?
says a lot about rail infrastructure here...
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It seems indohaz might be wrong on this one,these probably are for line 2.

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i wonder if they bouth them on truck all the way from poland?
says a lot about rail infrastructure here...
Or it was cheaper...or there are obstacles on the route(like tunnels)that would make it impossible to transport them on trains. You make assumptions too fats.

Or,in fact,there are hardly any routes crossing the Carpatrians,and the only route on trains goes through the Czech Republic(which would have taken maybe days to complete)...

http://www.bueker.net/trainspotting/...a/slovakia.gif
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Or it was cheaper...or there are obstacles on the route(like tunnels)that would make it impossible to transport them on trains. You make assumptions too fats.

Or,in fact,there are hardly any routes crossing the Carpatrians,and the only route on trains goes through the Czech Republic(which would have taken maybe days to complete)...
which was exactly my point
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Some news:

The 47 and 49 trams have been resumed,though no other vehicles can pass through the Szabadság bridge. The Little ringroad has also been reconstruced from Kálvin square until the bridge,though this is part of the M4 metro project.

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The extension of tramline 42 to the Gloriette estate was cancelled,because their bid for EU funding was cancelled too.

[I couldnt find the route's map in our section's thread]

The tracks of tramline 6 are now connected to the rest of the tracks at Móricz Zsigmond square,though the line still terminates at the square.

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It is now certain (as far as politicians can say things for certain) that line 19 and 17 will be connected at the Buda bridgehead of the Margit bridge,though the actual route is still question,most probably is below the bridge. The route of line 17 will be reconstructed also,probably will be separated from car traffic. The project also includes an extension 2 bridges south,to Lágymányos bridge,from Szent Gellért square.

[as there's no certain route now,I cant attach a map]

The first of the new vehicles for metro line 2 "red" also arrived not too long ago. They will start their test runs in the depot,and will enter service after it.

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BKV announced that it intends to buy a 1000 new buses this year,and every year after it. This is highly unlikely,since the company is living from day to day.
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Update!

The most important news is that BAMCO suspended the digging of the tunnels,and the construction of Gellért station (article in english). Both TBMs entered Gellért station by now,so the digging on the Buda side is finished. The first phase is to be inaugurated in 2011 currently.

(Kelenföld -> Tétényi -> Bocskai -> Móricz -> Gellért -> Fővám -> Kálvin -> Rákóczi -> Népszínház -> Keleti).

Some new renders have surfaced about Rákóczi square,here you can view them.

(all pics are from metro4.hu,from this march)

Kelenföld station




Tétényi station






Móricz station






Gellért station




Kálvin station




Rákóczi station






Népszínház station






Keleti station






We (the hungarian forumers) speculated on insider info that phase II is more and more realistic. This speculation is based on that the TBMs wil be taken out of the ground at Keleti terminal,and digging of phase II will commence from Bosnyák square,as this is how it was written in the rail approval. We previously thought that the TBMs would have been only taken out there if the construction stopped,but we were wrong.
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Some fics from Fővám square,by Qtya:









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It is now certain (as far as politicians can say things for certain) that line 19 and 17 will be connected at the Buda bridgehead of the Margit bridge,though the actual route is still question,most probably is below the bridge. The route of line 17 will be reconstructed also,probably will be separated from car traffic. The project also includes an extension 2 bridges south,to Lágymányos bridge,from Szent Gellért square.
This project is now for sure,will start in 2010,but district II has some obejctions to it,namely it objects helping ~100000 people using trams by getting rid of a few parking lots for drivers,as making the line "car-proof" would require either widening of road,or cancelling parking spaces.

Some pics of Batthyány square and Döbrentei square,between which reconstruction works going on(to this line will be line 17 connected):

Batthyány sqare by Stipkovits7:










near the Chain bridge by Don Rumata







(Fricy's blog has more pics abot the topic,though its in hungarian)

http://iho.hu/index.php?option=com_c...neken&Itemid=9

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To understand how line 17 looks in its inner section,here are some pics:

http://iho.hu/index.php?option=com_c...neken&Itemid=9



Especially this section is problematic,as it is heavily used by cars,during rush-hour,it can take an hour for the tram to complete the 13 min route in an hour. Besides,its common that drivers dont pay attention to park their cars close to the sidewalks,and trams then cant get accross,blocking the entire road.

http://iho.hu/index.php?option=com_c...neken&Itemid=9
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Line 17 could be beautiful if all the cars from Óbuda center were banned and the section converted into a walking passage.
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State of works on Buda embankment by Indoház:

http://iho.hu/index.php?option=com_c...neken&Itemid=9

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Update!

As of 18th of may,the southern TBM was restarted,and after a month of standstill and maintenance,it continued working on its tunnel today morning. In the upcoming 5 weeks,it will dig under the Danube,between Gellért square and Fővám square stations.

(Kelenföld -> Tétényi -> Bocskai -> Móricz -> Gellért -> Fővám -> Kálvin -> Rákóczi -> Népszínház -> Keleti)

Fővám square managed to catch up,its year-long schedule-loss ended in April.

We dont know how DBR and BAMCO managed to sort their differences out.
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Nice pics I found,just to show how f*cking deep the stations are:






(http://galeria.index.hu/kult/2009/05...lyebb_pontjan/)
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 12:19 PM   #139
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Great photos.

Are there any pictures of the new trains that will be used on the M4?
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Thanks RawLee! I love this project, really. Metro 4 has never been on my path when I was in Budapest, apart from Kalvin Tér, and I never thought the stations could be this massive, caves are really enormous. once finished, going underground will look like walking in a sort of cathedral!

the only thing i don't understand is why nobody fitted the stations with sliding glass doors, in order to prevent suicides from jumping on the tracks.
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