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Old August 6th, 2009, 04:19 PM   #161
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Update!

As of 6th of August, the northern TBM has breached Fővám station's wall! This means it is now possible to cross the danube at 2 points underground (metro 2 being the first). The first TBM will leave the station early September,after the servicing is finished,and the supporting equipment is relocated from Kelenföld to Szent Gellért square.

(Kelenföld -> Tétényi -> Bocskai -> Móricz -> Gellért -> Fővám -> Kálvin -> Rákóczi -> Népszínház -> Keleti)
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Old August 27th, 2009, 08:49 PM   #162
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Update!

As of 27th of August, both TBMs are in Fővám square station. According to official sources,they will only leave it after the support infrastructure has been relocated from Kelenföld station to Gellért station.

Meanwhile,the EU has approved funding for the project,though a lower amount that expected due to improper methods used in certain tenders (181 billion HUF was given,56 lost). Phase II and III seems to be certain also.

(Kelenföld -> Tétényi -> Bocskai -> Móricz -> Gellért -> Fővám -> Kálvin -> Rákóczi -> Népszínház -> Keleti)
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Old September 15th, 2009, 03:41 PM   #163
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how are the works going?
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Old September 15th, 2009, 05:27 PM   #164
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how are the works going?
We have new pics of almost all stations,but I dont want to flood this page with pics.

One of the TBMs has left Fővám square station,will arrive to Kálvin square station in about a month (distance ~400m,the TBM can dig 30m/day...I dont know why it takes a month).
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Old September 16th, 2009, 10:03 AM   #165
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maybe it has encountered a different type of ground. Metro1 in Torino gained a lot of delays because of this particular drowback.

Have you got, by chance, any photo of stations' interior forniture?
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Old September 16th, 2009, 11:05 AM   #166
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The ground is indeed more mixed than under the other side of the city.

We're not there yet. Its still about 2 years until completion. Not even the platforms are ready.
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Old September 16th, 2009, 01:01 PM   #167
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The ground is indeed more mixed than under the other side of the city.

We're not there yet. Its still about 2 years until completion. Not even the platforms are ready.
Ok thanks!
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Old September 20th, 2009, 03:17 PM   #168
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Yeah sadly you dont even see that they are building it in a hurry or something. After lots of delays this would be the least thing. You can check for fresh pictures in the M4 Hungarian topic, where we mostly discuss and post. Click on the Metro 4 in my sig and check the last pages, i made pictures a few days ago, so did RawLee a few weeks ago
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 12:52 AM   #169
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U/C Rákóczi square station... Waiting for the TBMs...

Fabulous pix from BND...

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Today I had the chance to visit the construction site at Rákóczi tér.
And here's some eye-candy for you:































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Old September 23rd, 2009, 12:28 PM   #170
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Indeed, great stuff from the construction site
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Old October 1st, 2009, 07:05 PM   #171
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A video I made today,but had to cut into half because of stupid 10-minute rule of Youtube:



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Old October 17th, 2009, 05:24 PM   #172
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Update!

As of 17th of October, the southern TBM has arrived at Kálvin square station.

Meanwhile,delays of 1 year in total could happen. Bamco,the constructor of the tunnel,sais it will only be able to bore the remaining few kms in 50 weeks, instead of 35. The TBMs' expected arrival at Baross square(Keleti railway terminal) is 2010 autumn. Testing of the automated vehicles could also take up a year,so opening of line could be expected in 2013.

Meanwhile,the city submitted projects for EU-co-financing for further metro projects' studies,which include extension of line 3 and line 2,connecting line 2 with a sburban railway line,and extension of line 4(if Keleti-Bosnyák is phase II,and Kelenföld-Budaörs is phase III,then this is phase IV Bosnyák-whatever). The first section of line 5 is also in this group,which would be extension of suburban railway line Ráckeve to Astoria(downtown).

(Kelenföld -> Tétényi -> Bocskai -> Móricz -> Gellért -> Fővám -> Kálvin -> Rákóczi -> Népszínház -> Keleti)
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Old October 24th, 2009, 04:39 PM   #173
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Northern TBM arrived to Kálvin square too. 1 week earlier than planned. Both TBMs are scheduled to leave Kálvin station in early December and will arrive to Rákóczi station in the first two weeks of February 2010.
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Old November 7th, 2009, 01:59 PM   #174
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There are a lot of news about the public transport of Budapest. Most importantly,tramline 2 has been resumed on full length on the Pest embankment with the inauguration of the new underpass at Fővám square in the metro 4 project.




(metro4.hu)http://www.skyscrapercity.com/newrep...e=1&p=43938238


The "merging network" project has become endangered,as the person responsible for it left the city council. Construction approval must arrive in 1 month(read:get a new person for the project),or we will loose 80% EU funding(without which there will be no project). The district's mayor also against the project. This is the project which would connect lines 17 and 41-19,among others.


The Műegyetem embankment tramline is 1 step closer to realisation.




The new cars for metro 2 wont be running until spring,as Alstom still needs to hand in documantation to the authorities.

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Old November 8th, 2009, 04:44 PM   #175
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RawLee! Did you guys check out the new underpass already? Is it really as loud as I read it all around the online media?
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Old November 10th, 2009, 09:55 PM   #176
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Southern TBM left Kálvin square a couple of days ago, towards Rákóczi square. Northern TBM will follow soon. They will arrive @ Rákóczi square sometime in January (~800m).
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Old November 11th, 2009, 01:44 PM   #177
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Budapest does have extensive public transport
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Old November 30th, 2009, 09:36 PM   #178
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Budapest S-bahn

I created this topic, because recently there has been some news regarding the development of a "real" S-bahn system in Budapest. Now, don't get your hopes up because this will take a LONG time and an incredible amount of money.

There are many forms of PT in Bp., from buses and trams to light rail and subways. And there is of course an extensive heavy rail system in and around Bp. When it comes to S-bahn, we should only count the part that crosses the city border, so that's exactly what we are going to do here. And I'm not gonna discuss buses either (though their network is extensive).

excerpt from bueker map:


current modal split of commuters:


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CURRENT SITUATION:

- Track infrastructure and stations

There are 2 kinds of such rail-based PT in Bp. currently:
4 light rail lines (although technically only 3 leave the city), all are double-track, standard gauge and 1000 V DC with overhead catenary (~100 km). This is the so-called HÉV system.

and

11 heavy rail lines (four to the west, seven to the east), 4 are single track and 7 are double track, 2 are diesel and 9 are 25 kV 50 Hz AC with overhead catenary (roughly 200km within the city and ~ 1000km with commuter train service to Bp., outside the city). All these lines have freight traffic as well.

Most of these lines are run-down, though Bp.-Vác, Bp.-Tatabánya are in a good condition and Bp.-Székesfehérvár, Bp-Szolnok are undergoing renewal right now. Generally the top speed is between 60-140 kph. Most of the stations and stops themselves are run-down too.


- Rolling stock

Ligth rail (HÉV) rolling stock is very old and is about to break down.

Already there has been a lot of money invested into renewing the heavy rail rolling stock. 2 lines are running 40+ year old and pretty run-down trains, but the rest of them are acceptable rolling stock-wise. 4 lines run only brand-new EMU-s, 2 lines run EMU-s built in the early 1990s and the rest run completely rebuilt coaches (look pretty modern too).


- Line configuration and timetables

Currently all lines end with head stations. This is where most of the change will be.
For 5 years now, we have had ITF timetables (~trains run every hour and at the same minute every hour).

this is the current limit of the commuter rail lines



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FUTURE:

- Track infrastructure and stations

Lets start with Metro 5. Metro 5 will incorporate 3 out of the 4 light rail lines in a Paris-like "RER" system. This metro will be different from the other metro systems because likely it will have either an overhead catenary in the tunnel or trains that can use both a third rail in the tunnel and an overhead catenary outside the tunnel. Metro 5 will run underground mostly the Pest (east) side of the city.

The remaining 4th light rail is at the end of Metro 2. There is still debate as to what to do: options include complete integration into Metro 2, using some portions for Metro 2 (bringing the metro more out to the east) or bringing the light rail more in (to the west).

About heavy rail lines. The most important thing is to completely rebuild the lines and the stations (this is already underway). Target speeds are 160 kph for the main / flat lines, 120-140 kph for the rest and for the one line in the Buda mountains less. The only 2 diesel lines will be electrified. The stations will be rebuilt: the emphasis is on P+R and B+R and on accessibility (under- and overpasses). A lot of level road crossings will be eliminated too.

this is a pilot small stop:



The stations within Bp. will have some more priorities too, chief among which is to allow for better connections to other PT. The main stations will have to be completely renewed. Kelenföld will have to be rebuilt as the new main station.




There is a not-so-remote possibility of building a railroad tunnel under the Danube from east to west. This can either connect Southern station with Western station (below in the picture) or connect Kelenföld (future Hbf) station with Western station.

Also, the (southern) link over the Danube today is only double track, and in all likelyhood would not be enough to support both freight and a frequent S-bah service. As a result of this, the section will either have to be widened with one or two more tracks, AND/OR a brand new railroad line will be (re)built much farther to the south, connecting the mid-sections of the country between east and west.

the possible "V100" line



Budapest Ferihegy Airport could be connected to the network with a new sub-terranian station that would connect to the Budapest-Cegléd-Szolnok line and could in the future facilitate a Budapest-Transylvania-Bucharest high-speed railroad.


- Rolling stock

For the heavy rail lines, we already have (or ordered) 70 EMU-4s (10 Talents and 60 Flirts). In the future, we will need more of these EMUs and there is high probability of buying double-decker EMU-4s. The entire heavy-rail S-bahn network will probably require outside of 200 EMU-4s and 200 double-decker EMU-4s (my guesstimate) or something to this effect.
Stadler Flirt has a advantage because they have a manufacturing plant in the country. It has to be mentioned though, that there are strong advocates to rebuild the 40+ year old coaches.

these are the new rolling stock:



- Line configuration and timetables

Regarding the timetable: since we already have ITF, the only thing to do is to introduce "zoning" trains.

this is where the inner zones end today:



And of course, changing from terminating commuter trains to actual S-bahn lines that go through the city without terminating is the meat of this whole project. You can see the possible line configuration in the picture below.






All this will take place in the next 30 years. First, we will concentrate on the rolling stock, then on renewing the already existing infrastructure and finally building the new infrastructure/lines and turning it into a true S-bahn.
Cost estimate is ~ 10 billion USD (2007).

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This present plan (National Development Plan - Railroads):

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wow! It looks extensive! So there are trains every one hour per destination? That means that trains running through the common parts, are very frequent. Right?
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