Miami 3rd largest skyline in the USA

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Aceventura

S.I.B. #76 Whoot Whoot!

Looking at that list, I would have thought Sunny Isles would have been ranked higher than a few other cities. They also have Tokyo ranked 3rd in the world and Chicago 5th even though not only does Tokyo not have a supertall, it doesn't even have nearly the number of tall buildings over all that Chicago has, and Chicago has a beautiful waterfront setting too.

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[FLAWDA-FELLA]

Congrats Miami, although there are a few other cities that come pretty close!!

[Aceventura]

All of Dade together easily passes Toronto.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Aceventura

All of Dade together easily passes Toronto.

And since they included Miami Beach as part of Miami's count, why not Sunny Isles Beach and Aventura? They included Burbank, El Segundo, and West Hollywood as part of L.A.'s count, and Burbank is clear on the other side of the Hollywood Hills in San Fernando Valley. You can't even see it from L.A.

[noland123]

I wonder where the ranking would be if they counted all of the three-county metro together.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by noland123

I wonder where the ranking would be if they counted all of the three-county metro together.

That's a thought! We'd probably move up in the rankings worldwide, but we'd still be third in the U.S.

[Bobdreamz]

well read my signature line! One of the main editors of Emporis a few years ago gave the the total number of highrises in the tri county area and it was well over a 1000+.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Bobdreamz

well read my signature line! One of the main editors of Emporis a few years ago gave the the total number of highrises in the tri county area and it was well over a 1000+.

Both New York and Chicago have over 100 buildings over 500 feet tall that are either already built or under construction. The heights of these buildings would make up for several more shorter-than-500 feet tall South Florida high-rises. How many high-rises do New York and Chicago have that are under 500 feet? I couldn't begin to tell you, but I'm pretty sure their combined height would outdo all of South Florida.

Anyway, this aerial I took back in July reminds me so much of when I first saw the Manhattan skyline silhouetted against the setting sun as I was coming from JFK. It was absolutely jaw-dropping. It looked like a jagged mountain range, and that is what the Miami skyline looks like to me in the upper right of this photo. Ironically, I didn't even notice the skyline when I snapped the picture. I was looking straight down the coast. Imagine when I got home and pulled the picture up on my computer and saw what I had. I'm so glad Shutterstock approved this one as part of my gallery there for so many other people to see.

And Dave, Chicago still does have more skyscrapers than Shanghai, and they both deserve third on that list better than Tokyo. I just don't know about those people. At least they seem to like Miami.

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[Bobdreamz]

Both New York and Chicago have over 100 buildings over 500 feet tall that are either already built or under construction. The heights of these buildings would make up for several more shorter-than-500 feet tall South Florida high-rises. How many high-rises do New York and Chicago have that are under 500 feet? I couldn't begin to tell you, but I'm pretty sure their combined height would outdo all of South Florida.

well I imagine both NYC & Chicago would number in the thousands since Emporis counts a highrise as anything over 12 stories. He did say that after the those two metros they had data that indicated the tri county metro region ranked third in the US.

[noland123]

I believe Emporis for 2007 were only considering buildings that were at least 90 meters and only including cities that had at least 1000 points.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Bobdreamz

well I imagine both NYC & Chicago would number in the thousands since Emporis counts a highrise as anything over 12 stories. He did say that after the those two metros they had data that indicated the tri county metro region ranked third in the US.

What has become noteworthy about Florida is the fact that we also have tall buildings outside of the South Florida tricounty metropolitan area with buildings over 500 feet tall in Tampa, Jacksonvile, and at Cape Canaveral with the Vehicle Assembly Building (525 feet), built in 1965 to house the Saturn V rocket that put a man on the moon, being the first in Florida over 500 feet tall.

Two years ago, this source had the Miami skyline ranked 18th in the world, which was almost as shocking to me as being ranked 3rd in the U.S. I think with all the projects that are still planned for when the market improves, we could have quite a stronghold on 3rd in the U.S. and could well move up in the rankings worldwide.

Quite frankly though, I prefer Chicago's skyline over New York because of its continuity. It doesn't have that break in the middle that the Manhattan skyline has that we've discussed before. Photographing Chicago is definitely on my "things-to-do" list.

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[dave8721]

Chicago doesn't have all that much more "highrises" than South Florida if you are going by the Emporis ~100 foot definition. According to Emporis earlier this year, the Chicago metro area had 1219 completed buildings over 100 feet while South Florida had 1144 (the NYC area had over 6000). Chicago's just happen to be much more centralized into a single skyline while South Florida's are broken up into literally dozens of smaller skylines.

Imagine if Miami, Miami Beach, Sunny Isles, Aventura, Hallandale, Ft.Lauderdale, Coral Gables, Dadeland, West Palm Beach..etc were 1 skyline.

[Södermalm]

well even if you exclude the rest of the highrises throughout miamis metro, it is rapidly catching up

ratio of miami (excluding suburbs) to chicago buildings

1970 65x
1980 14x
1990 9x
2000 6x
2007 3x

as dave pointed out, if you include the suburbs they are already about even

[QuantumX]

But are you talking about the total number of high-rises or are you taking into account the heights of those high-rises as well? Florida has a lot of short high-rises while Chicago has a lot that are taller. It would be interesting to see what kind of figures we get if we added up all the heights of all those high-rises. That is how I came to the conclusion that Miami already had the 3rd largest skyline in the U.S. myself three years ago, using the World Almanac, before I ever heard it or read it anywhere. VisionMia is the one who first brought it to the Forum's attention a couple of years back. It was just an intellectual exercise, and it took me all afternoon. I wasn't expecting the result I got because we don't even have a building over 800 feet tall yet, but Miami came in 3rd in the 400 tall and up height range. I was shocked because I wasn't expecting us to be there until 2010. Houston still has more that are 500 feet tall and up, but the World Alamanca criterion of 400 feet tall and up placed Miami 3rd. Starting at 100 feet tall in up is just too much research for me. I'd have to pay somebody to do that.

[dave8721]

No it did not take into account the height of the building. Obviously South Florida's are composed largely of unnumbered 10 to 25 story condos.

[dave8721]

And by the way, Houston has 31 buildings over 500 feet tall now. By my count there are now 33 in Miami-Dade County (34 if Paramount at Edgewater made it the last foot or so above 500 feet). Keep in mind the City of Houston is geographically huge so using Miami-Dade County is a better comparison.

[Aceventura]

Originally Posted by QuantumX

And Dave, Chicago still does have more skyscrapers than Shanghai, and they both deserve third on that list better than Tokyo. I just don't know about those people. At least they seem to like Miami.

Yeah, Shanghai is far under counted, it may not beat New York but the number is much closer to NY than what is listed.

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[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by dave8721

And by the way, Houston has 31 buildings over 500 feet tall now. By my count there are now 33 in Miami-Dade County (34 if Paramount at Edgewater made it the last foot or so above 500 feet). Keep in mind the City of Houston is geographically huge so using Miami-Dade County is a better comparison.

I'm pretty sure Paramount at Edgewater made it past 500 in comparing it to Quantum in this photo below. I have two sources listing it a 562 feet and even the hard hats told me it would be taller than 500 feet. And while Miami-Dade County might be a better comparison to Houston in terms of high-rises, Houston has three buildings over 900 feet tall including a supertall and a healthy crop of buildings in the 500, 600, and 700 feet tall height range. With the help of Miami Beach and Sunny Isles Beach, would Miami still edge out Houston in the 500 feet tall and up height range?

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[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Aceventura

Yeah, Shanghai is far under counted, it may not beat New York but the number is much closer to NY than what is listed.

I've never seen anything like photo in my life! And that's not photoshopped? I guess Dave is right and Emporis is wrong, which is certainly not surprising.

[Aceventura]

Q, check out these threads:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=754278&page=3

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=377383&page=8

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...401827&page=61

Shanghai is crazy but Hong Kong is still my favorite skyline. Not just because Central and Kowloon, but because the highrises just keep wrapping around the Island and Mainland, even over by the airport. Amazing place.