Miami 3rd largest skyline in the USA

[Barfolomew]

Originally Posted by isaidso

Alright, but I was only attempting to show the CBD in response to my first point. I hadn't addressed my second point regarding multiple skylines at all. Trying to do too much in one photo isn't always effective. No worries, you preferred his method.

At least we agree on Atlanta. I'd put New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Miami, and Seattle all above Atlanta as far as skylines go.

I don't think I would put some of those cities above Atlanta. Minneapolis, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Miami and Seattle don't have a single tower over 1000 feet tall. Outside of New York and Chicago, Atlanta has the tallest tower in the United States. Atlanta's skyline is long and goes on for miles. It's nearly impossible to contain it in one photograph, it extends into Buckhead and beyond. It's very similar to Miami's in that perspective....

Look at this link:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ape_032008.jpg

I think until you actually visit Atlanta, it's kind of difficult to say that all those other cities with smaller CBD areas have a larger skyline. Pittsburgh and Minneapolis don't even come close.

[ukiyo]

Natures Message just made this nice thread on Atlanta, check it out
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1112447

[Barfolomew]

Some more rare shots of San Fran....

[DShoost88]

Originally Posted by Barfolomew

Outside of New York and Chicago, Atlanta has the tallest tower in the United States.

Ummmm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratosphere_Las_Vegas

... No.

[Elnerico]

Originally Posted by DShoost88

Ummmm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratosphere_Las_Vegas

... No.

technicality! anyways lets see more miami pics shall we?



http://www.bryansereny.com/miami-lux...miami-9-07.jpg

[Barfolomew]

Originally Posted by DShoost88

Ummmm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratosphere_Las_Vegas

... No.

First of all that's an observation deck. Not a skyscraper with rooms or offices. Second, I didn't mention Las Vegas in the cities I was listing in the rebuttal. So, "Ummm.... NO" that one doesn't count.

Atlanta Georgia has the tallest OFFICE BUILDING in the U.S. outside of NYC & Chicago. That's a fact.

[Barfolomew]

I think I would have to say this at the least: Miami has finally caught up with other major U.S. cities in terms of number of high rises over a certain height. As far as overall skylines go, based on density and magnitude, I would still not put it at number three. I think San Francisco and Philadelphia have Miami beat still. Population, transportation and overall height of taller towers.

If you take away two buildings in downtown Miami, it really doesn't look like much. Wachovia and Four Seasons, both only little really compared to the bigger giants of the north, are what give Miami the effect that seems to make it pop. In reality, those two buildings are relatively small compared to all the thousand footers in NYC, Chicago and other cities.

The other thing to consider is this: Take Chicago for instance. It has a building that is over 40 years old, John Hancock center, over 1000 feet tall. It was built in 1969.

For that much time, these older northern cities have experienced large girth and density. Miami is simply really not there yet.

My system is based on a whole different method though. I base it on the number of buildings over 1000 feet tall, populations of 1+ million, and mass transit. Miami's tallest building is number 51 on the list in the united states. New York, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, San Francisco, Atlanta, Los Angeles, Seattle, Boston, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia all have buildings higher than Miami's tallest. Heck even Indianapolis has a taller building.

Miami needs that 1000 footer to really and truly have the number three spot in my opinion. It's not fair to the other cities that have higher skyscrapers really when you think about it. We're talking about "sky" lines here....

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by massp88

People bash Miami because they feel having a large amount of condo towers does not qualify.

Here I'm quoting myself on City-Data on the thread "What is the most futuristic city in America?"

Originally Posted by quantumx

Skyscrapers and condo towers are futuristic in and of themselves because they allow more people to live and work in a smaller area creating less encroachment into the natural environment and wildlife habitats as the world's human population increases exponentially and expands upwards and not outwards.

Miami's new skyline is often bashed for all its giant condos, but this is the wave of the future, and that is for people to be able to live, work, and play in the urban core without having to commute as much as they would otherwise. Many of Miami's newer skyscrapers that a lot of people think are strictly condos are really mixed-use structures where people can live, work, and play in the same building. A city within itself is what many of the early Chicago architects envisioned that a skyscraper would eventually become, and not just a corporate symbol of economic power. This is what makes Miami futuristic along with the fact that most of its skyscrapers were built in the 21st century. This is what our larger buildings and clusters of buildings still on the drawing board will be. They will be virtually self-contained cities within themselves.

Originally Posted by Elnerico

technicality! anyways lets see more miami pics shall we?



http://www.bryansereny.com/miami-lux...miami-9-07.jpg

Wow! What an angle! This looks to have been taken from Opera Tower. Have you visited my QuantumPX thread and the Downtown Miami Pictures thread for more Miami pics?

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Barfolomew

I think I would have to say this at the least: Miami has finally caught up with other major U.S. cities in terms of number of high rises over a certain height. As far as overall skylines go, based on density and magnitude, I would still not put it at number three. I think San Francisco and Philadelphia have Miami beat still. Population, transportation and overall height of taller towers.

If you take away two buildings in downtown Miami, it really doesn't look like much. Wachovia and Four Seasons, both only little really compared to the bigger giants of the north, are what give Miami the effect that seems to make it pop. In reality, those two buildings are relatively small compared to all the thousand footers in NYC, Chicago and other cities.

The other thing to consider is this: Take Chicago for instance. It has a building that is over 40 years old, John Hancock center, over 1000 feet tall. It was built in 1969.

For that much time, these older northern cities have experienced large girth and density. Miami is simply really not there yet.

My system is based on a whole different method though. I base it on the number of buildings over 1000 feet tall, populations of 1+ million, and mass transit. Miami's tallest building is number 51 on the list in the united states. New York, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, San Francisco, Atlanta, Los Angeles, Seattle, Boston, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia all have buildings higher than Miami's tallest. Heck even Indianapolis has a taller building.

Miami needs that 1000 footer to really and truly have the number three spot in my opinion. It's not fair to the other cities that have higher skyscrapers really when you think about it. We're talking about "sky" lines here....

Don't forget Cleveland, Ohio and Charlotte, North Carolina. So if a city has one building over 1,000 feet tall, it has a better skyline than Miami's? Also, population and mass transit have nothing to do with a skyline.

[Barfolomew]

Originally Posted by QuantumX

Don't forget Cleveland, Ohio and Charlotte, North Carolina. So if a city has one building over 1,000 feet tall, it has a better skyline than Miami's? Also, population and mass transit have nothing to do with a skyline.

Quantum, please don't be ridiculous. Neither of those two cities have 1000 foot towers. I didn't say what you're inferring either. It's really impolite to resort to innuendo, it lacks tact.

Population often effects the skyline, since people need to occupy the space in the rising office towers that make them available. If a city has 8 million people, like NYC, the effects are easily seen in the buildings. It's really just common sense. Height comes with the number of people. The four largest U.S. cities all have 1000 foot towers. (NYC, LA, Chicago, Houston).

So in essence, you're wrong, population and mass transit have just about everything to do with a city growing a skyline. Cities with less than 100,000 people don't usually have skylines. It's common sense.

[DShoost88]

Originally Posted by Barfolomew

First of all that's an observation deck. Not a skyscraper with rooms or offices. Second, I didn't mention Las Vegas in the cities I was listing in the rebuttal. So, "Ummm.... NO" that one doesn't count.

Atlanta Georgia has the tallest OFFICE BUILDING in the U.S. outside of NYC & Chicago. That's a fact.

Dude, I'm not wrong. You made the declaration that "Outside of New York and Chicago, Atlanta has the tallest tower in the United States." Stratosphere is a tower. And the Stratsophere Tower is more than "an observation deck"--it features an observation deck, an amusement park, several restaurants, and a hotel--but it is not merely an observation deck. A tower is a tower. An office building/hotel/condominium that is taller than it is wide is a tower. The Empire State Building is a tower. The Willis (Sears) Tower is a tower. And the Stratosphere Tower is a tower. That is a fact. Therefore, Atlanta does not have the tallest tower in the United States outside of New York and Chicago.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Barfolomew

Quantum, please don't be ridiculous. Neither of those two cities have 1000 foot towers. I didn't say what you're inferring either. It's really impolite to resort to innuendo, it lacks tact.

WHAT? DON'T BE RIDICULOUS? My response to you was based on your logic and way of thinking. I know Cleveland, Ohio and Charlotte, North Carolina don't have buildings over 1,000 feet tall, but you gave a string of cities that each had one building that was taller than the Four Seasons, and I simply added to that particular string. I was resorting to innuendo which lacks tact?

Originally Posted by Barfolomew

Population often effects the skyline, since people need to occupy the space in the rising office towers that make them available. If a city has 8 million people, like NYC, the effects are easily seen in the buildings. It's really just common sense. Height comes with the number of people. The four largest U.S. cities all have 1000 foot towers. (NYC, LA, Chicago, Houston).

No, height does not necessarily follow suit with the number of people. You gave that example yourself with Atlanta.

Originally Posted by Barfolomew

So in essence, you're wrong, population and mass transit have just about everything to do with a city growing a skyline. Cities with less than 100,000 people don't usually have skylines. It's common sense.

While population and mass transit do have everything to do with a city GROWING a skyline, they have nothing to do with one existing skyline being better another existing skyline, but that is in essence what you said, along with ANY city with a supertall having a skyline better than Miami's.

[Barfolomew]

Originally Posted by DShoost88

Dude, I'm not wrong. You made the declaration that "Outside of New York and Chicago, Atlanta has the tallest tower in the United States." Stratosphere is a tower. And the Stratsophere Tower is more than "an observation deck"--it features an observation deck, an amusement park, several restaurants, and a hotel--but it is not merely an observation deck. A tower is a tower. An office building/hotel/condominium that is taller than it is wide is a tower. The Empire State Building is a tower. The Willis (Sears) Tower is a tower. And the Stratosphere Tower is a tower. That is a fact. Therefore, Atlanta does not have the tallest tower in the United States outside of New York and Chicago.

The Stratosphere Tower is simply an observation tower. It doesn't have any hotel rooms up there. The hotel is next to it, I slept it in for a week, I know. It's 24 floor tall. And please don't call me "dude". I'm not your "dude". I've never worked on a dude ranch, and I don't wrest these ridiculous conclusions simply to appease your intellect which is flawed.

Atlanta has the tallest office building outside of NYC and Chicago. That' the point here.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Barfolomew

It's not fair to the other cities that have higher skyscrapers really when you think about it. We're talking about "sky" lines here....

It is also not fair to Miami if its numerous buildings over 400 feet tall were not counted. There is also a "line" in the word skyline and not just a few very tall buildings. I liken it to winning an Olympic bronze medal in boxing with a technical knockout rather than landing a solid punch. We still came in third.

Originally Posted by Barfolomew

I don't wrest these ridiculous conclusions simply to appease your intellect which is flawed.

Barf, I can't believe you said this. An old southern adage comes to mind again - "The pot called the kettle black."

[miami305]

Regardless...we are #3 in the USA...whether some people in here like it or not....so can we just drop it....

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by miami305

Regardless...we are #3 in the USA...whether some people in here like it or not....so can we just drop it....

And we have developers still moving forward even in this economic environment, so not only does Miami have the 3rd largest skyline in the US, we're going to put a lock on it, just like New York and Chicago have a lock on 1st and 2nd.

[Bobdreamz]

Actually what Atlanta has is a 800 foot building with a 200+ foot metal cage plopped on top!

[Aceventura]

Yeah, the official listed height of the roof is 933 feet. There are several buildings in Atlanta that are more impressive though much shorter imo.
How close in height would Jade Beach be to B&G Diamonds if scaffolding is not included?

[massp88]

Are people also aware that Atlanta currently has MASSIVE amount of empty office space?

Friday, April 16, 2010
Empty office space sets record
Atlanta Business Chronicle - by Douglas Sams Staff Writer


Metro Atlanta has broken a new record for empty office space, a first even for a region whose developers are famous for overbuilding.

The amount of available office space stands at 39.3 million square feet, according to the real estate brokerage Colliers International. The figure eclipses the old benchmark of 35.4 million square feet in 2003, a glut that developed in the rebound from the dot-com crash.

Metro Atlanta has the equivalent of 33 Bank of America Plaza towers (which, at 55 stories, is the tallest building in Georgia) standing empty. It could take almost a decade to absorb enough office space to get the supply back to normal.

The excess is the result of easy credit from 2005 to 2007 that fueled a speculative office building boom, especially in Buckhead and Midtown, where several towers were under construction at once. Then, the worst recession in 80 years robbed developers of the job growth needed to fill all those buildings.

As job losses have mounted in the past year and corporate downsizing has become commonplace, the vacancy rate for metro Atlanta office buildings has soared to 22.2 percent, equal to the highest on record, first reported at the start of 2003, according to brokerage firm Jones Lang LaSalle Inc.

The vacancy rate is based on a metro Atlanta inventory of office buildings that approaches 139 million square feet, Jones Lang LaSalle said.

The vacancy rate has not exceeded record levels yet, in part, because not all of the empty offices are technically “vacant.”

Companies are holding onto empty floors because they don’t think it’s worth putting them on the market for lease. There isn’t enough demand.

It will take at least eight years to absorb enough vacant office space to get metro Atlanta back to 14 percent vacancy, or about the point when developers historically have broken ground on new speculative towers, said Lanie Rea, research manager for Jones Lang LaSalle.

For one of the rare times in its history of boom times, speculative office development in the Capital of the New South has come to a halt.

“The city has zero speculative space,” said Bob Stoner, regional vice president of Eola Capital, which owns the most office real estate in Atlanta. “We may go three or four years before we see another spec development.”

Huge chunks of space
The current excess has brought about the return of “see-through buildings,” symbols of the 1990s real estate glut.

Owners of the most recognizable office towers on the Atlanta skyline are dealing with huge chunks of empty space.

In Midtown, BentleyForbes Group LLC has about 334,000 square feet to fill at Bank of America Plaza.

Hines needs tenants for about 388,000 square feet at One Atlantic Center.

American International Group has about 282,000 square feet of empty space at its 271 17th Street Building, also known as the BB&T tower.

On the Perimeter, Rubenstein Partners and Barry Real Estate Companies Inc. have 363,000 square feet to fill, primarily because anchor tenant Royal Philips Electronics moved to Alpharetta.

The office market around Sandy Springs and Perimeter Mall — Atlanta’s largest — has 5.9 million square fee of empty space, according to Colliers International.

In Buckhead, where overdevelopment has created one of the most competitive office markets in the U.S., 4.9 million square feet is empty. In northwest Atlanta, home to Cobb Galleria Centre, about 6.2 million square feet is empty.

The roots of the current glut stem from several sources, including the lax underwriting standards of the middle decade and the belief that commercial real estate prices would continue climbing.

http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2010/04/19/story5.html?b=1271649600^3201151

[Bobdreamz]

^ wow that is a astonishing rate of empty office space for Atlanta! At least Miami built it's 3 newest office towers in the downtown/Brickell district. I wonder what Miami's office vacancy is.