Viability of a new Hampden if we get Commonwealth games?

[escotregen]

There's a political reality that comes into play. That almost certainly means a Hampden revamp will not happen without some huge and extraordinary reason arising.

The curent Government is at pains not to appear West-of-Scotland centric and, above all, not Glasgow-centric (especially after Edinburgh did not get it's absurdly expensive 'tunnel under the airport' or their full-blown tram system). The latest Scottish Government press release on the Ravescraig 'national' sports development demonstrates just how far out of any existing plans a Hampden revamp is just now:

[URL="http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2007/10/30121839"]

[legslikeaspider]

Originally Posted by gorgu

So what would they do, can the super skeleton, dig down to make the playing area right next to the crowd and then remodel the banking to make it steeper?

Tell you what is theis ever got the light of day Hampden would be one of the most intimidating stadiums in the word.

Imagine seventy thousand mad Scots baying for the blood of the opposition, breathing right down their necks!

It woud also finally kill the prospect of a national stadium for Football AND Rugby forever imho.

I've tried and failed to find a thread in the stadiums section that deals with this topic, but I'm fairly certain a thread or posts within a thread exists.

Let me summarise what I can recall. Digging down and bunging in more seats is not a bad idea, the problem lies with the gentle incline of the current north, west and east stands - you're not going to be able to dig very far before the people at the back of these stands can't see the opposite side of the pitch. In addition, one still isn't going to get round the problem of the really crap views for the first three or four rows (who can't see the near side of the pitch because of the advertising hoardings - can anyone verify this? I've never been closer to the pitch than about Row H). Another problem is the current roof: any new rows are going to be completely exposed beyond the edge of the canopy - replacing a cantilever roof is, I imagine, not an easy task. I also wonder if Hampden could be dug down further, because the current pitch is already below ground level, no?

Starting again from scratch strikes me as the best option: there's plenty of land if Lesser Hampden is included and the current large footprint of the stadium relative to its capacity could be used more efficiently. However, bulldozing the current structure would mean losing the recently constructed South Stand and this seems like a bit of a waste.

[gorgu]

Can we expand Hampden now please?

[GlasgowMan]

I cant see digging down being an option as the under pitch road-way system that offers top-security to players etc is one of the reasons Hampden got 5*.

ps, apparently if UEFA gave 6*s the current Hampden would be a 6* stadium.

[cinosanap]

LEAGUE CUP FINALS
2002 Rangers v Ayr: 50,076 sell-out
2003 Rangers v Celtic: 52,000 sell-out
2004 Hibs v Livingston 45,500
2005 Rangers v Motherwell 50,182 sell-out
2006 Dunfermline v Celtic 50,090 sell-out
2007 Kilmarnock v Hibernian 52,000 sell-out


SCOTTISH CUP FINALS
2002 Celtic v Rangers 51,138 sell-out
2003 Dundee v Rangers 47,136
2004 Dunfermline v Celtic 50,846 sell-out
2005 Celtic v Dundee Utd 50,635 sell-out
2006 Hearts v Gretna 51,232 sell-out
2007 Celtic v Dunfermline 49,600 sell-out


SCOTLAND INTERNATIONALS

Euro 2004 qualifiers
Scotland v Iceland 37,938
Scotland v Germany 48,047 sell-out
Scotland v Faroe Islands 40,091
Scotland v Lithuania 50,343 sell-out

World Cup 2006 qualifiers
Scotland v Slovenia 38,278 (Wed night)
Scotland v Norway 48,882 sell-out
Scotland v Moldova 45,317
Scotland v Italy 50,185 sell-out
Scotland v Belarus 51,105 sell-out

Euro 2008 qualifiers
Scotland v Faroe Islands 50,059 (at Celtic Park, at Hampden would have been sell-out)
Scotland v France 50,456 sell-out
Scotland v Georgia 50,850 sell-out
Scotland v Lithuania 51,349 sell-out
Scotland v Ukraine sell-out
Scotland v Italy sell-out

[M_Riaz]

Extracts from the CCF as regards to the Hampden viability and expansion plans for the Commonwealth Games 2014.


The National Stadium, Hampden Park (Athletics, Closing Ceremony)

The National Stadium, Hampden Park

Track and Field Athletics and the Closing Ceremony Scotland’s internationally renowned national football stadium will provide a 46,000 seater stadium for the track and field athletics programme and the Closing Ceremony. The stadium, with its oval-shape, lends itself to the temporary introduction of track and field athletics facilities. These will be built on top of a solid in-fill of the stadium some 1.5 metres above the current playing surface. This will ensure there are good to excellent spectator sightlines from all parts of the venue. The recently renovated, excellently finished and wellmaintained South Stand is a major asset with its large range of function rooms,VIP suites, and press and media accommodation. Other facilities will meet the diverse needs for athletes, spectators, officials, medical requirements, security arrangements, press and media and Commonwealth Games Family.
The plans for 2014 will also leave a legacy for the Stadium with proposed improvements to disability access, seating, toilets and catering outlets in the remaining three stands. The warm-up track and jump areas will be provided immediately adjacent to the stadium at Lesser Hampden with direct and secure access from this site into the main stadium. A throws warm-up area will also be provided adjacent to the Stadium.

Upgrading of North,West and East stands,
including improved access and spectator
provision for people with a disability
Ownership and maintenance by
Hampden Park Ltd, a subsidiary of the
Scottish Football Association

Infill of the stadium to provide a raised platform
on which the athletics track will be constructed
Full utilisation of the materials in future
transport infrastructure developments.

The marathons will start and finish at Hampden Park in the south cluster, the main athletics stadium for the Games. A route has been chosen that meets IF requirements and, as with the road cycling events, takes advantage of Glasgow’s city scape.

The Scottish Football Association, in conjunction with Glasgow City Council, will be responsible for procuring the permanent adaptation works to Hampden. As this will involve public funding, statutory procurement procedures will be adopted. The temporary overlay works will be the responsibility of the Organising Committee.
All projects will have detailed project plans and this will ensure that new and adapted venues and temporary overlay works are delivered well within schedule.

A specialist sports medicine facility at Hampden Park.

Point of reference

The point of reference is The National Stadium, Hampden Park.
As requested this is in relation to our main stadium. As the venue for Track and Field Athletics and the Closing Ceremony it will hold the most spectators during the Games.

Capacities

Glasgow is fully committed to moving towards host-neutral citywide wire-less coverage removing the reliance on specific providers. Existing coverage is excellent with currently full 2G and 3G at all proposed Games venues across the city. Roads linking these have full 2G coverage. The number of supported users exceeds the maximum capacity at all venues within the city boundaries.Table 14.5 shows the status of the current number of supported users for venues. The provision of temporary cells to cater for spikes in network traffic is normal business practice. For example, temporary cells already exist at Hampden Park in Glasgow.

Closing Ceremony

The National Stadium, Hampden Park
The venue for the Closing Ceremony will be Hampden Park. The seating capacity during the Games will be 45,000. As Hampden Park is an existing facility, only ceremony specific overlays will be required to stage the Closing Ceremony. As this stadium will be used for track and field events, it will be changed over immediately after the relay races on the final evening to be ready for the Closing Ceremony.

[M_Riaz]

Submission Documents: Pre-determination hearing - Application for planning permission:- Hampden Park, 99 Letherby Drive (Ward 7) - 12/00988/DC - Erection of first floor extension to North stand and associated minor alterations to East stand of stadium.

ITEM 1 (15 Pages)
4 September 2012


Not a New Hampden but alterations comming forth for the 2014 CWG.

SITE AND DESCRIPTION
The proposed development is considered to be a National development as defined within the Town and Country
Planning (Hierarchy of Developments) (Scotland) Regulations 2009. This is due to the nature of the proposal in
relation to the Commonwealth Games; which are defined as being nationally significant within the National
Planning Framework for Scotland 2.
National developments require to be processed in line with the procedures defined in Circular 4/2009
‘Development Management Procedures’. Some key requirements in the submission and determination of a
National development include the requirement for the applicant to enter into formal pre-application consultation
with the community, the submission of key information such as a design and access statement and under the
current scheme of delegation, a formal decision to be taken by full Council Committee.

SITE
The application site is that of Hampden Park and its curtilage, which is located in the Mount Florida area of the
City within the Langside ward. The site itself extends to a total area of approximately 12.95 hectares and is
bounded to the north by Somerville Drive, to the south by Mount Annan Drive/Norfield Drive, to the east by
Curling Crescent and Hangingshaw Place/Aikenhead Road beyond and to the west by Carmunnock Road.
The site itself is largely designated as Stadium (DEV 10) under City Plan 2 however there are other land use
designations within the red line site boundary. These include areas of Residential and Supporting Uses (DEV 2)
to the north east at Hangingshaw Road, to the south east at the vehicular access with Aikenhead Road and to
the west at Carmunnock Road. Additionally there are minor areas of Town Centre (DEV 4) within the
application site boundary to the west at Carmunnock Road.
The site remains principally in use as Scotland’s National Stadium and this application primarily concerns
proposals to extend the existing north stand of the stadium at Somerville Drive affecting an area of
approximately 0.15 hectares of the total site curtilage.
Land levels remain relatively consistent within the area of the site relating to the proposed north stand
extension, with levels sloping downward across the remainder of the site from Carmunnock Road (to west) to
Aikenhead Road (to east/south east). In respect of public transport accessibility, the site is situated within the
Outer Urban Area and is identified as having both High Accessibility and below Base Accessibility to public
transport, as per City Plan 2.

PLANNING HISTORY:

In support of the application, a design and accessibility statement has been submitted which is a statutory
requirement for all applications determined to be of a ‘National’ scale. This document outlines the background
to this proposal, whereby the 20th Commonwealth Games are hosted by the City of Glasgow with Hampden
Park, Lesser Hampden and the nearby Toryglen Regional Football Centre designated to provide the venues for
Track and Field Athletics as well as the Closing Ceremony for the Games. The Glasgow 2014 Organising
Committee is responsible for the delivery of the Games and during the initial bid stages a Capital Works and
Games Overlay Programme outlined the benefits of modifying the existing stadium at Hampden Park.
Prior to this, it had previously been identified that the North Stand of the stadium would benefit from improved
spectator facilities and accessibility.

Given the City’s hosting of the Commonwealth Games, the extension to the North Stand of Hampden Park was
identified as one of a series of ‘Legacy’ developments which would be delivered on the back of the Games. As
a result, Hampden Park Limited have proposed to extend the North Stand of Hampden Park on the basis of
providing much needed improvements to the stadium in advance of its use as a Commonwealth Games venue,
fulfilling one of the key criteria in the successful 2014 Commonwealth Games bid.
Prior to the submission of this application, a series of associated applications have been submitted due to
legislative requirements. These are as follows:
12/00157/DC – Submission of a Proposal of Application Notice (PAN) in advance of a formal application for
Planning Permission – PAN Satisfactory.
12/00970/DC – Request for an EIA screening Opinion under the Town and Country Planning (Environmental
Impact Assessment) (Scotland) Regulations 2011 – EIA not required.

PROPOSALS TO EXTEND NORTH STAND

The existing North Stand is located at an oblique angle fronting Somerville Drive creating a wedge shape space
between the stadium building itself and the public footway to the north. It is within this area that it is proposed to
extend the North Stand of the stadium at first floor level with undercroft access below. The extension itself is
designed to occupy the space between the existing footway to the north and the current building line of the
stadium, whereby the frontage of the extension tapers towards the stadium building line as it travels westward
along Somerville Drive; this creates the appearance of a wedge shape as viewed on plan.
The roof design of the extension is an aluminium standing seam roof which slopes upward from the stadium
building to towards the façade in order to accommodate existing projections within the stadium structure, and for
ease of connection with to rainwater drainage and other services.
The frontage of the proposed extension is designed in two distinct areas; the main façade at upper floor level
which contains the majority of the massing of the development, and the undercroft area at ground floor level.
In respect of scale and massing, the main first floor façade of the extension has an overall height of 9m over a
width of 103m. At ground floor level, the undercroft levels follow the slope of the land downward from west to
east with the height being 2.4m from ground level at its westmost point rising to 4m to ground level at its
eastmost point. Given this, the gable elevations differ in overall height with the west facing gable measuring
11.2m and the east facing gable measuring 13m.
The undercroft area itself does not seek to extend the scale of the extension, but rather remains as a result of
the upper floor extension. The undercroft itself provides the opportunity for circulation space under the
proposed extension but does not incorporate any services/kiosks/facilities within it. On event days, the intention
would be that the undercroft area would be open in order to facilitate the ease of pedestrian traffic movement
to/from the nearby turnstiles. On non-event days, the undercroft area will be closed by means of roller shutters,
however pedestrian access will be maintained at 2.4m on the south side of Somerville Drive when these
shutters are closed.
The upper floor extension seeks to increase the gross internal floor area of the North Stand by some 6593
square metres. It is noted, however that the extension does not seek to increase the spectator capacity of the
stand but rather provide additional circulation space for users to the rear of the seating area, as well as
increased facilities. These facilities include provision of new toilets, accessible WCs, snack kiosks and counters
and general servicing/storage areas.
With regard to materials, it is proposed to clad the North Stand extension in PPC Aluminium Rainscreen
Cladding on a METSEC non-insulated framing system. The cladding system is finished in two tone blue colours
in order to relate to other existing stands within the stadium – principally the cladding finish of the main
entranceway at the South Stand. These colours are the corporate colours of Hampden Park. The gable
elevation of the extension does not feature integrated cladding panels, replacing these
At ground floor/undercroft level it is proposed to incorporate precast concrete cladding panels, each measuring
9.2m in length at a distance of 17.8m apart, punctuated with voids which will utilise roller shutters to secure the
area during non-event days as per the requirements of Secured by Design from the Association of Chief Police
Officers (ACPO).
Within the frontage of the north stand, architectural feature lighting is incorporated which will sit flush within the
façade at a distance of 10m apart (totalling 11 lights). This lighting is continued at either side of the extension
on Somerville Drive with a total of 10 (5 per side) 6.4m high feature lighting columns and 2 (1 per side) 10.8m
high illuminated meeting point totems providing an illuminated walkway during events. Agreement of the
operating hours/days is required for this element of the development and a condition to this effect is proposed
below.

PROPOSED EAST STAND CATERING KIOSKS

In addition to the proposals to extend the North Stand of the stadium, the application includes further minor
proposals to erect two new single storey catering kiosks within the East Stand of the stadium. These kiosks,
located at ground floor level, are accessible from the main outdoor stadium concourse and are located at the
corner of the East Stand as it meets the North Stand and slightly off-centre to the south of the east stand at the
location of existing catering kiosks.
Each kiosk is identical in respect of design, scale, massing and materials and measure 3.9m in height by 17m in
width. Externally the kiosks are finished in facing brick, with two sets of painted steel roller shutters on their
frontage and an aluminium standing seam roof. The colours of the proposed external materials are to be
agreed by the Planning Authority and this is the subject of a planning condition.

SPECIFIED MATTERS

Planning legislation now requires the planning register to include information on the processing of each planning
application (a Report of Handling) and identifies a range of information that must be included. This obligation is
aimed at informing interested parties of factors that might have had a bearing on the processing of the
application. Some of the required information relates to consultations and representations that have been
received and is provided elsewhere in this Committee report. The remainder of the information, and a response
to each of the points to be addressed, is detailed below.e with vertical louvers.

[R.K.Teck]

Just had a quick skim through and I got well excited when I saw '6593' - thought we were going up to ~58,500 seats with the extension!

But it is the area of floor space in the new bit they are building, (and no capacity increase).

[M_Riaz]

Reference: 12/01663/DC Community Cnl: Mount Florida

Address: Lesser Hampden Park 99 Letherby Drive Glasgow

Proposal: Temporary use of existing football ground as athletics track and field warm up facility for the
2014 Commonwealth Games with associated physical works and erection of permanent
development works comprising flood lighting, fencing, sprint track and associated engineering
works.

Date Received: 21.08.2012

Date Valid: 21.08.2012

Applicant Details:
Glasgow 2014 Ltd
Agent Details: Drivers Jonas Deloitte, Per Alistair Hilton, Lomond House 9 George Square GLASGOW

Ward: Langside Representation Expiry Date: 01.10.2012

Type: Full Planning Permission Level: National Development

Case Officer: Mr C Pepper, 0141 287 8649

Listing: Cons Area:

Map Reference: (E) 258805 (N) 661458

[Hendycfc]

Kind of raging that they're downsizing the seats for the CWG.

[Kolothos]

But they have to to make adequate room for the track, don't they?

[gmacruyff]

Surely this is the perfect time to get rid of the Rangers coloured seats(red,white and light blue)and replace them with the same dark blue colour as the main stand.It looks cheap and tacky in 3/4 of the ground at the moment!

[Mr. B]

Originally Posted by Kolothos

But they have to to make adequate room for the track, don't they?

Correct! They are building a platform over the playing surface to enable a full size athletics track and also the field for javelin, shot put etc. Therefore lowering the capacity as it'll be built over the front rows of the stands

[R.K.Teck]

The CWG would have been a good chance to make the seating more aethetically pleasing. I like the big flags behind the goals, but why is there red? Same shade of blue everywhere, and the saltires!

It's probably deemed a needless expense because the seats are functional.

[gmacruyff]

Originally Posted by R.K.Teck

The CWG would have been a good chance to make the seating more aethetically pleasing. I like the big flags behind the goals, but why is there red? Same shade of blue everywhere, and the saltires!

It's probably deemed a needless expense because the seats are functional.

Remember a section of Murrayfield had light brown and dark brown seats,(mingin)whist the rest of the stadium was dark blue/purple green.Eventually,after much slagging,they eventally ripped them out and replaced them with the dark blue ones.Now it looks miles better!Same should happen at Hampden!

The "red" seats argument has been going on for years ,but why does the Scotland fitba team constantly wear red socks?Its on a par with "How TF did Craig Levein get the Scotland job"No logic whatsoever!

[bestbud]

Originally Posted by gmacruyff

Its on a par with "How TF did Craig Levein get the Scotland job"No logic whatsoever!

Spat my cornflakes out there.

Ye, dark blue seats are a must. The current interior is looking very dated.

[R.K.Teck]

Scotland V Serbia, 08/09/12

I really liked the view from the upper tier!

[M_Riaz]

HAMPDEN PLANS GET GO-AHEAD DESPITE OBJECTIONS

A new multimillion-pound extension at Hampden Park has been given the go-ahead despite a campaign by local residents.
Proposals to revamp Scotland's national football stadium in preparation for the 2014 Commonwealth Games were opposed by more than 200 people who live nearby.
Glasgow 2014 organisers are to build a large extension to the existing North Stand to improve "spectator comfort".
It will create extra catering outlets, an additional spectator concourse area, food kiosks, toilets and wheelchair facilities.
However, residents near the 52,000-capacity ground argued it will block sunlight to their homes, cause traffic problems and blight the appearance of the area.
They claimed they will be left looking at a huge "Berlin Wall" type structure which will cause the value of their houses to drop.
The plans have now been given the go ahead at a meeting of Glasgow City Council after planners dismissed the neighbours' concerns.
In a report, they stated: "The proposals seek to improve the facilities of the North Stand in line with good practice guidelines issued by the Football Licensing Authority.
"While it is noted there are existing residential properties within close proximity to the development... it is not considered the area is typical of an exclusively residential location.
"On this basis, the proposed extension is considered to be of a scale which would not be considered overdevelopment within the locale and that the development is in keeping with the scale of the existing building which is being extended."

[milton]

I sympathise with them. That street is already a brutal mess.

I realise this won't be a popular opinion, but Hampden is a total mess. It's shite. £50m for a crap upgrade, and we've seen what happens when people build a proper stadium in the UK in the last 10 years.

As if the building itself wasn't bad enough, they finally decided to clean up the lan d around it, and what was it for? Coach parking. Rotten.

[dmg]

maybe they should take a look at their own properties instead of bumping their gums about a new extension to the north stand. Looking forward to seeing the new extension built.