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Old November 17th, 2009, 08:17 PM   #21961
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Aerial view of Burj Dubai, November 2009:
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Stupendously great shot.
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Old November 17th, 2009, 10:08 PM   #21962
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Burj Dubai (with the old and the new Teddy )
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hmmm.... this Teddy fetish is starting to get a bit disturbing Imre
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Old November 17th, 2009, 11:20 PM   #21963
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Should he start using monkeys instead?
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Old November 17th, 2009, 11:45 PM   #21964
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So the CTBUH ratings are the de facto authority on this and all websites (emporis etc.) will adapt to this, correct?
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Old November 17th, 2009, 11:52 PM   #21965
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Old November 17th, 2009, 11:55 PM   #21966
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These are really big news...
- Imre's Teddy got a girlfriend (of course the news of the day )
- measured BD height increased... 825m sounds better than 818m or 819m. Shouldn't the lower entrance floors be added to an overall floor number of 164 fl, too? Or do the 3 entrances belong to the same floor?

The new CTBUH-standards (maximum height counts, even to the backdoor) will surely have influence on all skyscraper lists; many other towers will also "grow" a few meters. So updating the thread titles will be an extra mod job on the forum for a while.
the lower concourse is a main entry which belongs to main lobby.
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Old November 18th, 2009, 12:16 AM   #21967
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Count of Burj Dubai Floors ?

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the lower concourse is a main entry which belongs to main lobby.
According to this new standard, the Concourse will count, but what of the mezz levels on top ?

See the elevator video from last week, (of BS3 going down from 160 to 149),
there was no display of 155Mezz or 158Mezz. What's on these levels ?

BS4(pega) stops at 160 Mezz1/2/3, also T18A and T18B. What's on these levels, and are they counted as floors. The pics of the 160 area look like a very wide open and high area, with the mezz levels just around the edges.

How does CTBUH count all these levels, which are not full floors, but partial levels which appear to contain machinery, but not people full time ?

Fury showed it before as: 160 - 4 (missing numbers 41,74,110,137)
+ ground, + 155M 158M 160M1/M2/M3
which = 160 -4 +6 = 162.

Is it now 163 floors, adding concourse, or is it something else ?

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Old November 18th, 2009, 12:21 AM   #21968
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^not sure.
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Old November 18th, 2009, 12:22 AM   #21969
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Some questions ?

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First question: What's the bright blue areas seen in the podium levels in all three points of the base of the building ?

Next question: How do people get from the BurjDubai station of the Metro over to the Burj Dubai complex. It looks like a long distance, from one to the other, outdoors, and I did not see any special path or road for it ?

How complete is the landscaping around the base of the BD ? It looks cleaner than before, but no greenery is showing yet

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Old November 18th, 2009, 12:26 AM   #21970
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bright blue areas=weather proofing?
a small lightrail service (people mover) will take people over from the mall underground.
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Old November 18th, 2009, 04:38 AM   #21971
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what a great picture....
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Old November 18th, 2009, 05:13 AM   #21972
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And after we thought it will be ready for 2008 December ...
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Old November 18th, 2009, 05:56 AM   #21973
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Fury....hope you are feeling better.
Hi TX.
Thanks alot bud - slowly but surely.

Hi Helghast.
Great news - nice find.
I have always considered the roof as the top of the highest tier named as a roof (tier 22 named spire 1 / roof 4). The top of it is at 720.1 m. as measured by the plans.
I actually like the idea they are dropping the height to roof measurement and agree fully with their reasoning.

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What's the bright blue areas seen in the podium levels in all three points of the base of the building ?
Hi Library.

First - the big wings at the bottom have been referred to as podiums by many sources and this may or may not be the correct terminology. I prefer to call the 3 tiers below teir 0 (below the tower proper per se) as Base 0, 1, and 2. The podiums are labelled A, B, and C and are between the wings where the landscaping is. I'm so **** sometimes ...

I think the blue may be either tarps or as Cul said some sort of weatherproofing that is under the boarding they are putting on most if not all of the lower terraces, the entrance roofs, and the roof of the pool annex "penthouse". I think it will be either removed or covered soon.

The aerial Christos posted is from 09 10 30. See how level 3 terrace (the lowest terrace that is the top of base 0) that faces the office annex has the blue.



Now see Imre's shot of the same terrace from 09 11 10. It is boarded now. (which looks great IMO)



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According to this new standard, the Concourse will count, but what of the mezz levels on top ?

See the elevator video from last week, (of BS3 going down from 160 to 149),
there was no display of 155Mezz or 158Mezz. What's on these levels ?

BS4(pega) stops at 160 Mezz1/2/3, also T18A and T18B. What's on these levels, and are they counted as floors. The pics of the 160 area look like a very wide open and high area, with the mezz levels just around the edges.

How does CTBUH count all these levels, which are not full floors, but partial levels which appear to contain machinery, but not people full time ?

Fury showed it before as: 160 - 4 (missing numbers 41,74,110,137)
+ ground, + 155M 158M 160M1/M2/M3
which = 160 -4 +6 = 162.

Is it now 163 floors, adding concourse, or is it something else ?

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First - sections 18A and above are not included in the 162 named levels. Level 160 mezz3 is the highest named level as per the plans and is the last level included in the floorcount.
Whether the CTBUH will count the mezzanines is a good question. Most of them are another level but they don't cover the entire floorplate of the level below. By the looks of the drawings I have level 154 is an exception to this. Its use is named as boutique office mezzanine but it is also labelled as a seperate level and looks to cover the same area as the level below (153).
You have my math for the 162 levels correct (glad to see someone reads my posts ). I will continue to go by that and it will be 163 if the CTBUH counts them also.



Both Cul and I have said all along that the Concourse level should (and probably would) be included in the CTBUH official measurement. In fact the new wording they are using now is the same reason we've been posting for some time now. I commend them for making this change as it eliminates any problems or doubt as to where the measurements should start. The height to tip will include the beacons on top - we have known this all along but the height of them is only a well educated guess going by the vid from the top - 0.6 meters or so. The next question as was posted a few weeks ago is whether there will be a flagpole, antenae, or lightning rod - or something that will take it a little higher yet.

So .....
- Height to highest occupied floor - level 154 (I presume they will measure to the "floor" of that level) - 574.5 as per the plans (which measure from the ground level) = 580.5 meters.
- Height to architectural top - top of tier 30 (won't include the beacons) - 818.0 as per the plans = 824.0 meters.
- Height to tip - top of the beacons (if they don't put up a pole or rod) - 818.6 as per the plans (assuming the beacons are 0.6 m.) = 824.6 meters.



I will stick to the measurements for any level heights as per the plans untill they do the measurement and make the change official. After that all the numbers in my BD plan will change by 6 meters and I will probably make a version 5 at that time.

In general, the change in the wording of the starting point for the official measurement is great news and confirmation that the Concourse level will be included as it should.
Oh - and I hope they do put up a flagpole, antenae, or lightning rod - a bigun.

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looks like decking for a swimming pool for Armani hotel...
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Old November 18th, 2009, 07:36 AM   #21975
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looks like decking for a swimming pool for Armani hotel...

Thats what I thought!

Was there not pics of this area of the tiers previously that showed the pool structure?

Remember the Imre pic with the hanging structure also?
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Old November 18th, 2009, 07:40 AM   #21976
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i would put 500 AED on it being a decking / swimming pool area.
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Old November 18th, 2009, 07:41 AM   #21977
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or a terrace for a Armani suite...!!!
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Old November 18th, 2009, 07:43 AM   #21978
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As Mohamed Ali Al Allabar stated in an interview a year back "The height of the BD is his favourite number"!

Somehow I dont see 824.6 coming into the dream.
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Old November 18th, 2009, 07:47 AM   #21979
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Surely he didn't know it would now be measured with such criteria!
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Do you think ob deck's height change pass from 442 to nearly 448 m ?
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