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Old January 26th, 2010, 12:42 AM   #25201
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How will they get their food ? Levels 9-16 in Feb ??

Question for OTR, and as always --Fury

When the people move into floors 9-16 next month, how will they get their food into the building ? Is a grocery store open in the BK ? or will they need to go shop outside - where people do now ?

Since the hotel does not open till March, for those 6 or 7 weeks is any food service or store open = even a coffee shop ?

What entrance will they use to get in and out - till the hotel opens ?
Will they use the hotel entrance- or is another path to be provided ?

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Old January 26th, 2010, 12:54 AM   #25202
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Nobody has talked about the garbage !!!!!!!!!

We have not seen this point discussed here - how does the garbage get brought down from high floors, and how is it collected and taken away ?

In North America ------

Most apartment buildings have a chute that the garbage is dropped down, and the newer buildings also have arrangements and provisions for recycling boxes, glass, plastic, etc, and the newest buildings now have a stream for organics.

In office buildings, cleaning staff pick up the garbage during the evenings and take it down the service lifts for removal out the loading docks.

In the Burj, where both usages exist, to say nothing about the high speed and noise of fallling objects going down a chute -

--what arrangements exist - considering the need for safety and efficiency ??

Would there be multiple chutes considering the height of the building ?? -
or would all of it go down the service lift - or some combination of chute to some intermediate point ina mechanical floor, then lift the rest of the way ?

I'm sure this would show up in some detail in Fury's material.

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Old January 26th, 2010, 01:20 AM   #25203
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As far as I can remember I saw chutes on the plans that ended up in garbage bins over several floors...
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Old January 26th, 2010, 01:40 AM   #25204
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Lol imagine if you have to take out the garbage... I am sure they thought of that. You won't see a lot of people carrying garbage bags down the elevator.
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Old January 26th, 2010, 05:11 AM   #25205
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Old January 26th, 2010, 05:28 AM   #25206
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Hi all.

Hi Imre.
Great update yet again.
I just noticed how the "divers" on the waterfall in the mall really do look like they are suspended by their dicks ...
No - seriously ...

Hi Library.

Two questions I never thought about.
First - I assumed the Armani residences, hotel residences, Residences, and Luxury residences would all use the Residential entrance on the Ground level.
- I didn't think the Armani residences were tied into the hotel services at all. I figured they were just like the other 3 residential areas.

I would think living in the BK will be no different than any other hi-rise. After you park with your groceries you make as many trips up to your pad as is necessary - just a longer elevator ride. I haven't noticed any garbage chutes but there has to be some. As guest noted people won't have to take it down in the elevator, I'm sure.

A while ago I asked OTR about garbage in Dubai in general but it went unanswered. I wonder if when you own a home do you put your trash to the curb, or take it to a dumpster ? How does it work in the Old Town pads ?

It's cool watching this and other projects from afar - there are probably many facets of life that are quite different than where I live that I would find interesting.

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Old January 26th, 2010, 11:33 AM   #25207
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Question for OTR, and as always --Fury

When the people move into floors 9-16 next month, how will they get their food into the building ? Is a grocery store open in the BK ? or will they need to go shop outside - where people do now ?

Since the hotel does not open till March, for those 6 or 7 weeks is any food service or store open = even a coffee shop ?

What entrance will they use to get in and out - till the hotel opens ?
Will they use the hotel entrance- or is another path to be provided ?

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I guess when people move into the BK it will be very similar to The Address hotel where you have the option to go out and buy groceries like you would anywhere, but restricted as you will not have large freezer/fridge capacity, or you do room service.

The nearest supermarket is Waitrose which is only a five minute walk through the Mall or home delivery (my fave) by Nandos etc etc that are located throughout the Mall and Downtown area.

You name the food, Indian, Chinese, Lebonese, Arabic, KFC, BK, just so much choice.

Remember they will park cars directly under the BK and be only steps away from the elevator.
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Old January 26th, 2010, 11:37 AM   #25208
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Hi all.

Hi Imre.
Great update yet again.
I just noticed how the "divers" on the waterfall in the mall really do look like they are suspended by their dicks ...
No - seriously ...

Hi Library.

Two questions I never thought about.
First - I assumed the Armani residences, hotel residences, Residences, and Luxury residences would all use the Residential entrance on the Ground level.
- I didn't think the Armani residences were tied into the hotel services at all. I figured they were just like the other 3 residential areas.

I would think living in the BK will be no different than any other hi-rise. After you park with your groceries you make as many trips up to your pad as is necessary - just a longer elevator ride. I haven't noticed any garbage chutes but there has to be some. As guest noted people won't have to take it down in the elevator, I'm sure.

A while ago I asked OTR about garbage in Dubai in general but it went unanswered. I wonder if when you own a home do you put your trash to the curb, or take it to a dumpster ? How does it work in the Old Town pads ?

It's cool watching this and other projects from afar - there are probably many facets of life that are quite different than where I live that I would find interesting.

Hi Fury, apologies for my ignorance.

In the old town I live in a three floor high apartment block that has a service room for disposal of rubbish down a chute. This leads into a rubbish skip that is stored in a cooled room with extractors to keep the smell down that is located in the basement car park.

We pay a load in service fees to live in the OT, but I must admit the services and quality are good.

Can you imagine in the BK if you had to put the rubbish out.

"Hi honey, I'm off to take the garbage out, back in three days"
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Old January 26th, 2010, 12:45 PM   #25209
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All buildings have garbage chuttes here, so why BK be any different?
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Old January 26th, 2010, 12:52 PM   #25210
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Because it won't be one straight garbage chute all the way down like most buildings in Dubai.

In a building that size a good plan has to be made for garbage treatment, it will probably be a number of chutes per 5 / 10 / 20 floors, something like that?
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Old January 26th, 2010, 01:41 PM   #25211
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We have not seen this point discussed here - how does the garbage get brought down from high floors, and how is it collected and taken away ?

In North America ------

Most apartment buildings have a chute that the garbage is dropped down, and the newer buildings also have arrangements and provisions for recycling boxes, glass, plastic, etc, and the newest buildings now have a stream for organics.

In office buildings, cleaning staff pick up the garbage during the evenings and take it down the service lifts for removal out the loading docks.

In the Burj, where both usages exist, to say nothing about the high speed and noise of fallling objects going down a chute -

--what arrangements exist - considering the need for safety and efficiency ??

Would there be multiple chutes considering the height of the building ?? -
or would all of it go down the service lift - or some combination of chute to some intermediate point ina mechanical floor, then lift the rest of the way ?

I'm sure this would show up in some detail in Fury's material.

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about this one?...pretty sure it is surely well incorporated in all aspects...
just imagine a building at this height without provision for garbage???
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Old January 26th, 2010, 02:37 PM   #25212
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Because it won't be one straight garbage chute all the way down like most buildings in Dubai.

In a building that size a good plan has to be made for garbage treatment, it will probably be a number of chutes per 5 / 10 / 20 floors, something like that?
So what? I didn't say anything about how the chute system will work or be organised, I just said there is one
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Old January 26th, 2010, 02:41 PM   #25213
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Old January 26th, 2010, 04:54 PM   #25214
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DTCM team inspect Armani Hotel Dubai in Burj Khalifa

* United Arab Emirates: 3 hours, 49 minutes ago | PRESS RELEASE

A team from Dubai Department of Tourism and Commerce Marketing (DTCM) went on an inspection tour of Armani Hotel Dubai in Burj Khalifa on Monday ahead of the luxury property's scheduled opening in March.

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DTCM and Burj Khalifa officials posing for a group photograph at the observation deck of Burj Khalifa located on 124th floor.

Armani Hotel Dubai, the first hotel to open under the collaboration between Giorgio Armani S.p.A. and Emaar Properties PJSC, is getting finishing touches.

Mr. Marc Dardenne, CEO of Armani Hotels and Resorts, welcomed the delegation and explained the facilities and services at the property and what also highlighted the unique features at the property. The hotel will soon start a pre-launch trial run.

The delegation comprised of Mr.Eyad Ali Abdul Rahman, DTCM Executive Director Business Development and Media Relations Division, Mr. Ahmed Al Tunaiji, DTCM Director Media and Advertising, Mr. Majid Saqr Al Marri, DTCM Director of Hotels Classification, Ms. Shaikha Al Mutawa, DTCM Director Business Development, Mr. Abdul Rahman Ahli, DTCM Head of Inspections (Classification), and Mr. Saad El Sayed, DTCM Head of Arabic and English Media.

The DTCM officials inspected the hotels rooms and services to ensure that these are in line with the hotels classification manual.

The delegation later went on an informal tour of the world's tallest building and was briefed about the multi-million dirham architectural wonder by the officials of Emaar, the Dubai-based public listed company which constructed the project. They were received by Mr. Ali Al Suwaidi, Senior Director Operations of Burj Khalifa, and Mr. Hamad Saeed Hamad Saif Eghdani, Senior Manager for Government Relations and Emiratisation at Emaar Hospitality Group.

Since its opening on January 4, Burj Khalifa is attracting between three to five thousand visitors who come to visit the tower and spent time viewing the city's breathtaking views from the observation deck on 124th floor for a fee. Armani Hotel Dubai is the first of a series of hotels, resorts and residences designed by Giorgio Armani to be opened around the globe and marks fashion maestro Giorgio Armani's debut in to the world of hospitality.

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Old January 26th, 2010, 06:46 PM   #25215
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Old January 26th, 2010, 06:53 PM   #25216
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Because it won't be one straight garbage chute all the way down like most buildings in Dubai.

In a building that size a good plan has to be made for garbage treatment, it will probably be a number of chutes per 5 / 10 / 20 floors, something like that?
I'd bet good money on chutes going down to the mech level below.
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I'd bet good money on chutes going down to the mech level below.
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Old January 26th, 2010, 11:46 PM   #25218
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9-16, 19-37 etc

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Two questions I never thought about.
First - I assumed the Armani residences, hotel residences, Residences, and Luxury residences would all use the Residential entrance on the Ground level.
- I didn't think the Armani residences were tied into the hotel services at all. I figured they were just like the other 3 residential areas.

9-16 use the hotel lifts H-series group of 4;
19 to 37 use the HA-series lifts group of 3 right in the central core.

I believe these are all under the Armani banner.

They'd be using the hotel entrance - or - using the other entrances by using parking lifts to get to and from.

Maybe these people will give the hotel its first dry run, soft opening, trial run or what ever they want to call it.

Residences have their own elevators ( in the R-series on plans ) with express to 43 or 76, then local - and their own entrance on the ground floor. There's parking lifts for each group - so it's all interconnected --thus it's up to Security programming to implement what ever restrictions they need to control people flow in the building lobbies at the various levels.

Did I get this right ?

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P1 as an entrance ?

Does CTBUH require full outdoor access to a level to consider it an entrance ?
or would having outside air and light flowing down from above as happens on P1 qualify ?

I think that's a bit much - they already have the record by over 300m, what's another 4m.

I don't believe P1 would be a separate "entrance" there's a tunnel leading to a parking lift which connects to the main OB-lifts at the G or C levels.

When this height record gets broken, as it will one day, it will be by a lot more than 4m. It could even be by 400m.

Anyway, this point should be settled soon, once CTBUH has its say on the issue.

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Old January 27th, 2010, 04:53 AM   #25220
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Hi all.

Hi library.

I think you nailed the elevators on the head man. I guess the Armani residences (9-16) and Hotel residences (19-37) would use the hotel entrance on level 1 - makes sense.

I hear ya on the extra 4 m. - seems insignificant but they did announce 828 as the height to arch. top during inauguration, not 824. I think they are including level B1 which would be good as the height of each level and section would remain as per the plans - only the total height for each would change. The water sculpture does sit on level B1 with a large open air hole around around it as it sticks up through the podium which is at the Concourse level on that side. This may fit the open air criteria to measure from there. The CTBUH does state though that they don't usually measure from a parking level but even the Concourse and Ground levels have "underground" parking.
I am finding it a little bizarre the ratification is taking this long. We may yet see the official height at 824 if the CTBUH chooses to measure from the Concourse and finds B1 doesn't fit the criteria. I hope it remains 828 but only if is made clear they are measuring from B1 so there is no question as to where the extra 4 meters came from.
Now if they would hurry the frick up ...

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