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Old February 10th, 2010, 03:26 AM   #25541
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Hi all.

Hi Library.
Besides the observation elevator this is the first shot of elevator buttons I've seen. Not sure what lobby you are referring to but I would think one would decide what level to go to after one gets on the elevator from the skylobby. I will post any others if /when I get shots of them. Level 122 will have the residents club and the hotel club - it will have another restaurant too ?

Hi Middle.
I suggested shortly after Jan 4th the title of this thread should be changed to inaugurated. The Burj is between opened and completed as the OD is all that is completed and opened right now.
The OD lift has experienced a power problem - all projects have some issues when they open - no biggie.
As for the misreporting - I posted yest. on the Huff stating the exact number of "stories" is unknown ... - some of us here have known the exact number of levels for years.
Just FYI - since you seem to be in the dark as to when the handovers will happen :
- the Armani residences are in Feb. (this month)
- the Armani hotel is on Mar. 18
- the Hotel residences, Residences, Luxury residences, and Boutique offices start in March and may take 6 months.

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Old February 10th, 2010, 03:37 AM   #25542
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The real reason the Obs deck is now closed

Revealed: why the world's tallest tower closed February 10, 2010 - 6:59AM
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Dubai's Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum opened the world's tallest tower today and renamed it the Burj Khalifa after the ruler of neighboring Abu Dhabi. Photo: Bloomberg


It must have been a terrifying moment for visitors to the world's tallest tower, which only opened last month.

They heard what sounded like a small explosion, then saw dust that looked like smoke seeping through a crack in an elevator door 124 floors above the ground.

Inside an elevator, 15 people were trapped for 45 frightening minutes until rescuers managed to pry open the doors.

Outside on the observation deck, about 60 more people were stranded and some began to panic.

Shortly after the drama unfolded on Saturday evening, the half-mile-high tower that was supposed to be one of Dubai's proudest achievements shut down to the public one month after its grandiose opening.

It was the latest embarrassment for the once-booming Gulf city-state that is now mired in a deep financial crisis.

Witnesses who were on the 124th floor observation deck at the time and a Dubai rescue official recounted on Tuesday the chain of events that led up to the shutdown.

Emaar Properties, the state-linked company that owns Burj Khalifa, has said little about the incident and nothing at all about an elevator malfunction.

It had no comment on Tuesday. It remains unclear what caused the elevator to the observation deck - the only part of the building that was open - to fail.

Michael Timms, 31, an American telecommunications engineer who lives in Dubai, was on the observation deck with his cousin Michele Moscato when the ordeal began.

"It almost sounded like a small explosion. It was a really loud bang," Timms said.

About 45 minutes later, rescue crews arrived and pried open the elevator door, he added. The faulty elevator was caught between floors, so rescuers hoisted a ladder into the shaft to help those trapped inside crawl out.

Abu Naseer, a spokesman for Dubai's civil defence department, confirmed the incident. He said the call for help came in about 6.20pm on Saturday evening.

Emergency crews used another elevator to reach the observation deck and were able to rescue all 15 people stuck in elevator unharmed, he said.

Emaar, which owns the 2717-foot (828 metre) building, has not responded to specific questions about the incident.

Local newspapers reported the shutdown of Burj Khalifa on Monday but it is still not clear exactly when the building was closed.

The company issued a brief statement on Monday saying the viewing platform was temporarily shut for "maintenance and upgrade" because of "unexpected high traffic".

It also hinted at electrical problems, saying "technical issues with the power supply are being worked on by the main and subcontractors".

Emaar has made no mention of problems with the elevators, angering some of those involved in the incident.

"What just kind of shocks me is that they were going to brush this under the rug to save face. If it broke, at least tell people it broke," Timms said.

"I was really starting to get upset, getting really nervous," said Moscato, 29, a nurse visiting from Columbia, South Carolina. "I started crying."

She said she and Timms - along with other visitors, some in raised voices - asked to use the stairs because they felt uncomfortable taking the elevator back down, but were told that was not allowed.

Moscato said one of those trapped in the elevator told her later that the lights went off and the car began to fall before the brakes kicked in. It was not possible to independently verify the account.

The $1.5 billion ($1.7 billion) Burj Khalifa opened with a lavish fireworks display and other celebrations on January 4 after being beset by a series of delays.

Only the observation deck was being used for now as work continues on the rest of the building's interior. The first tenants were supposed to move in this month.

The tower more than 160 stories, though the exact number is not known. The tapering, silvery tower ranks not only as the highest building but also as the tallest freestanding structure in the world.

The observation deck, which is mostly enclosed but includes an outdoor terrace bordered by guard rails, is located about two-thirds of the way up.

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Old February 10th, 2010, 04:11 AM   #25543
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I hope someone tells Bloomberg the secret number of stories. The world is waiting.
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Old February 10th, 2010, 04:25 AM   #25544
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Old February 10th, 2010, 04:55 AM   #25545
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Before you blaming the Burj Khalifa/Burj Dubai here is some rubbish from America:

The Coldwell Banker Tradition

The story of Coldwell BankerŪ is a story of leadership and success. From its beginnings in San Francisco in 1906, Coldwell Banker has grown to become one of the premier residential real estate organizations in the world. Coldwell Banker was founded on a commitment to professionalism and customer service that continues to be the core of its business philosophy today. Coldwell Banker provides its sales associates with the strongest support in the real estate industry so they in turn can deliver the support their buyers and sellers need.

Thatīs the Coldwell Banker tradition.

http://www.coldwellbanker.com/home/about/heritage.jsp

Coldwell Banker

[IMG]http://i50.************/29pan2r.jpg[/IMG]

http://www.coldwellbanker-ae.com/en/...-t-west-2.html

original pic from 234Sale:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...253238&page=11 (POST 208)

Burj Khalifa /Lofts

[IMG]http://i46.************/2jbr0wp.jpg[/IMG]

http://www.coldwellbanker-ae.com/en/...-t-west-2.html

original pics from me:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...253238&page=11 (POST 213)

Their website has many pics from the SSC ,usually they are making a crop because of the watermark thats why sometimes missing the roof of the building

They have many pics on the Dubizzle as well.

Their slogen is : "We never stop moving" should change now like "We never stop stealing"



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Old February 10th, 2010, 05:39 AM   #25546
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^What's all that supposed to mean?^

I get a good picture of what posts here, now. Very entertaining.
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Old February 10th, 2010, 05:51 AM   #25547
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I guess he is trying to say that people living in a delusional world where companies / agencies and institues are ethical and professional most of the time need to wake up !

But i could be wrong
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Old February 10th, 2010, 05:59 AM   #25548
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imre , i don't really get the point between that story and Burj dubai...
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Old February 10th, 2010, 06:26 AM   #25549
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I guess he is trying to say that people living in a delusional world where companies / agencies and institues are ethical and professional most of the time need to wake up !

But i could be wrong
Uhhh, so I guess you all really need to work on that /sarcasm thing...

No matter. This thread will be off the top soon. If you'd just complete and open the damn thing already...
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Old February 10th, 2010, 06:39 AM   #25550
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I hope someone tells Bloomberg the secret number of stories. The world is waiting.
I could tell the press exactly how many levels there is along with the name and height of each - but they would just f*** it up anyway. Read my last post for the handover dates ...


The official floor count as recognized by the CTBUH is being decided as we speak along with the height to tip. The highest occupied level and its height as well as the height to architectural top are decided although where the arch. top is measured to is still in question. Can't say more yet ... The official announcement to the world probably won't happen untill everything is figured.
But even after that happens the press will f*** up the numbers anyway ...

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Old February 10th, 2010, 06:42 AM   #25551
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imre , i don't really get the point between that story and Burj dubai...
They are using (stolen from the SSC) my Burj Dubai pic , made a crop because of the watermark thats why the top part of the spire is not visible
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Old February 10th, 2010, 06:56 AM   #25552
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What's smarty pants, "moderator". If it isn't really completed, then why does it say so at the top of the board? Maybe it should go back to UC.
It's simple really.

Completed as per SSC terminology does not mean the building itself is finished and occupied, or even ready for occupation.
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Imre, Im pretty sure that what they are doing is perfectably legal.

When we upload a picture through Tinypic or whatever, we lose all ownership in its entirety, even if a third party is making commercial gain from our photos thats their initiative, and 100% down to them if they share the revenue with the person who took the photo.

There must have been a crowd the size of a football pitch on my balcony the night I took the lightning pics as the number of people claiming to be there (on my balcony) is incredible.

Personally I do it for fun, but take objection when they write over with their watermark. Nothing I could do abouty it, but still the same its annoying.

I noticed that for example Sale has a copyright logo on pics. It has zero standing legally. The only way is not to post,and where is the fun and sharing with that. I guess the proprierty rights statement below is the legal argument.

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Old February 10th, 2010, 07:12 AM   #25554
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Imre, Im pretty sure that what they are doing is perfectably legal.
Not really, this is the law thanks for Gerald:

While many photographers place watermarks including their name and/or the copyright notice on their images to prevent someone from infringing them, it's fairly easy to crop or clone over the mark. Fortunately, the DMCA section of the Copyright Act provides an even better reason to use watermarks.

Section 1202 of the U.S. Copyright Act makes it illegal for someone to remove the watermark from your photo so that it can disguise the infringement when used. The fines start at $2500 and go to $25,000 in addition to attorneys' fees and any damages for the infringement. The pertinent part of the statute is included below:

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Section 1202. Integrity of copyright management information . . .

(b) REMOVAL OR ALTERATION OF COPYRIGHT MANAGEMENT INFORMATION.

No person shall, without the authority of the copyright owner or the law:
(1) intentionally remove or alter any copyright management information . . .
(3) distribute . . . copies of works . . . knowing that copyright management information has been removed or altered without authority of the copyright owner . . . knowing . . . that it will . . . conceal an infringement of any right under this title.

(c) DEFINITION. . . . "[C]opyright management information" means any of the following information conveyed in connection with copies . . . of a work . . . or displays of a work, including in digital form . . . :
(2) The name of, and other identifying information about, the author of a work.
(3) The name of, and other identifying information about, the copyright owner of the work, including the information set forth in a notice of copyright. . . .

Section 1203. Civil remedies

(b) POWERS OF THE COURT. In an action brought under subsection (a), the court . . .
(3) may award damages under subsection (c);
(4) in its discretion may allow the recovery of costs by or against any party . . . ; [and]
(5) in its discretion may award reasonable attorney's fees to the prevailing party . . .

(c) AWARD OF DAMAGES. (1) IN GENERAL. . . . [a] person committing a violation of . . . 1202 is liable for either
(A) the actual damages and any additional profits of the violator . . . or
(B) statutory damages, as provided in paragraph (3).

(3) STATUTORY DAMAGES. . . .
(B) At any time before final judgment is entered, a complaining party may elect to recover an award of statutory damages for each violation of section 1202 in the sum of not less than $2,500 or more than $25,000.

And the even better news? You don't have to have registered your photo in advance to recover under this statute.

http://www.photoattorney.com/2007/07...your-ears.html

Sorry for the OFF we can discuss here in the future:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...410098&page=13
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Old February 10th, 2010, 07:13 AM   #25555
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Imre, Im pretty sure that what they are doing is perfectably legal.

When we upload a picture through Tinypic or whatever, we lose all ownership in its entirety, even if a third party is making commercial gain from our photos thats their initiative, and 100% down to them if they share the revenue with the person who took the photo.

There must have been a crowd the size of a football pitch on my balcony the night I took the lightning pics as the number of people claiming to be there (on my balcony) is incredible.

Personally I do it for fun, but take objection when they write over with their watermark. Nothing I could do abouty it, but still the same its annoying.

I noticed that for example Sale has a copyright lopgo on pics. It has zero standing legally. Sorry if I cheese people off with this post!
Hi OTR -

Totally incorrect I'm delighted to say.

The minimum damages that can be awarded for each individual instance of a company wiping out someone's watermark and hosting their image without permission on their website is $2,500. That's per image.

Doesn't matter what you've done with them, or where you choose to share them. Unless you specifically hand over the rights to another individual or organisation, the copyright remains yours.
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Hi OTR -

Totally incorrect I'm delighted to say.

The minimum damages that can be awarded for each individual instance of a company wiping out someone's watermark and hosting their image without permission on their website is $2,500. That's per image.

Doesn't matter what you've done with them, or where you choose to share them. Unless you specifically hand over the rights to another individual or organisation, the copyright remains yours.
Gerald, Sorry mate but disagree. This is my daily job and I guess you like others upload through mechanisms like Tinypic. Just look at the subsidiary companies of Tinypic and see who amongst others that you authorize to freely use your work.

To get your USD 2.5k for someone cropping would cost through the legal system a lot more than $2.5k

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Gerald, Sorry mate but disagree. This is my daily job and I guess you like others upload through mechanisms like Tinypic. Just look at the subsidiary companies of Tinypic and see who amongst others that you authorize to freely use your work.

To get your USD 2.5k for someone cropping would cost through the legal system a lot more than $2.5k

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With respect, that's standard jargon that is in place to allow people to actually view content hosted on TinyPic. Without it, no-one would have the rights to view anything it hosts.

Specifically, TinyPic doesn't claim ownership of the IP itself, and none is signed over to them, therefore they cannot assign rights to others beyond that which enables people to view the content on their own servers.

As soon as the image is hosted somewhere other than TinyPic's own website, the above doesn't apply, because it is no longer TinyPic's content.

(as you say - read the small print: )

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6.4 The TinyPic Services contain Content of Users and other TinyPic licensors. Except as provided within this Agreement, you may not copy, modify, translate, publish, broadcast, transmit, distribute, perform, display, or sell any Content appearing on or through the TinyPic Services.
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FWIW, I contacted TinyPic to clarify this issue. They concur with the above interpretation 100%.

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As for the misreporting - I posted yest. on the Huff stating the exact number of "stories" is unknown ... - some of us here have known the exact number of levels for years.
Really? I thought you said it was still being determined.


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The official floor count as recognized by the CTBUH is being decided as we speak along with the height to tip. The highest occupied level and its height as well as the height to architectural top are decided although where the arch. top is measured to is still in question. Can't say more yet ... The official announcement to the world probably won't happen untill everything is figured.
But even after that happens the press will f*** up the numbers anyway ...

If the "official" floor count is still being determined, then how is the media inaccurate for reporting an approximate number? The best they could do is guess.

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It's simple really.

Completed as per SSC terminology does not mean the building itself is finished and occupied, or even ready for occupation.
Wouldn't it be more useful to this forum if you explained what the SSC criteria for "completed" is, instead of telling us what it isn't?
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Wouldn't it be more useful to this forum if you explained what the SSC criteria for "completed" is, instead of telling us what it isn't?
Well yes, it would. But I don't actually know.

I think it's something to do with all exterior work completed and all cranes/scaffolding removed, but I'm not sure. What I do know is that buildings are categorized as complete sometimes many months before they are occupiable.

No doubt some kind soul will enlighten us both shortly.
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