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Old December 18th, 2012, 12:42 AM   #31461
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The fact that the observation deck is at a lowly 452 metres when compared to the buildings height of 828 metres tells you all you need to know.
They couldn't even fit the worlds highest observation deck into a building which is a couple of hundred metres higher than it's nearest competitor.
Don't get me wrong, this is a wonderful building, but it's just as much of a cheat as the new WTC, just more cleverly disguised.
In a couple of years time China will have public observation decks which are far higher.
Have you even been to their Observation Deck? IMO, it doesn't need to be any higher.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 01:30 AM   #31462
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Have you even been to their Observation Deck? IMO, it doesn't need to be any higher.
That's a different argument. The point is it couldn't be any higher.
On an 800 odd metre building, that says everything.
Observation decks are now just about the most profitable part of any tall building, if there was any way to have put this one higher and keep the title of highest in the world they would have done so.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 07:51 AM   #31463
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The have the title already: The tallest OUTDOOR observation deck, a title they will preserve.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 07:58 AM   #31464
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And yes, the 'outdoor' part is very important.

But you are right, they couldn't do it any higher, afterall the position of the setback, providing a terracefor the outdoor part, was determined by the wind tunnel testing of the (dcale model) tower.

Next ''argument'': ''The shadow's long and block the sunshine to many other buildings'' ..... right after: ''The lights keep people awake at night''
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Old December 18th, 2012, 10:09 AM   #31465
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The have the title already: The tallest OUTDOOR observation deck, a title they will preserve.
Not according to Patrykus they won't.

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Yes st will have observatory. In fact tallest in the world in both open and closed category at a height of 546m. Almost 100m taller than burj kahlifa observatory.

Here's the render showing the observation deck:

As for this ....

"Next ''argument'': ''The shadow's long and block the sunshine to many other buildings'' ..... right after: ''The lights keep people awake at night'' "

That's just an argument for not building there in the first place. What's the use of building so high but not having useable space near the top?
It's pointy but pointless, just like the shard, but on a much larger scale.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 02:58 PM   #31466
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Hi everyone

I have a question about Burj Khalifa. We want to go to observation deck and watch the view.

So when we should go there? Sunrise, sunset or noon? Which of these is better?

Thanks a lot,
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Old December 18th, 2012, 03:06 PM   #31467
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That's a different argument. The point is it couldn't be any higher.
What makes you think it couldn'tbe any higher?


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On an 800 odd metre building, that says everything.
The highest habitable level is about 670m, maybe 100m or so machine rooms, etc, and then the pointless needle you describe.

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Observation decks are now just about the most profitable part of any tall building, if there was any way to have put this one higher and keep the title of highest in the world they would have done so.
So you think the L 144 nightclub is not profitable, you think those riches make no contribution attending the highest mosque near the top floor.

Anyway, will you pay more, if it is higher? 100 Dirham isn't a lot, I expect it to cost more. Doesn't look like the pricing is about maximising profits.

Just about every visitor that visit Dubai will visit At The Top, no one care if it is the highest deck in the world. A observation deck will only need to be tallest in the region.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 03:07 PM   #31468
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Hi everyone

I have a question about Burj Khalifa. We want to go to observation deck and watch the view.

So when we should go there? Sunrise, sunset or noon? Which of these is better?

Thanks a lot,
It open at 10am, no chance to see any sunrise.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 03:09 PM   #31469
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The have the title already: The tallest OUTDOOR observation deck, a title they will preserve.
The title is with Canton Tower now.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 04:33 PM   #31470
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Old December 18th, 2012, 07:09 PM   #31471
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It open at 10am, no chance to see any sunrise
You must check this.

https://tickets.atthetop.ae/eticketing/homepage.aspx
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Old December 18th, 2012, 07:31 PM   #31472
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Hi everyone

I have a question about Burj Khalifa. We want to go to observation deck and watch the view.

So when we should go there? Sunrise, sunset or noon? Which of these is better?

Thanks a lot,
U can see the sunrise from bk in the weekends: )
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Old December 18th, 2012, 08:09 PM   #31473
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What makes you think it couldn'tbe any higher?




The highest habitable level is about 670m, maybe 100m or so machine rooms, etc, and then the pointless needle you describe.



So you think the L 144 nightclub is not profitable, you think those riches make no contribution attending the highest mosque near the top floor.

Anyway, will you pay more, if it is higher? 100 Dirham isn't a lot, I expect it to cost more. Doesn't look like the pricing is about maximising profits.

Just about every visitor that visit Dubai will visit At The Top, no one care if it is the highest deck in the world. A observation deck will only need to be tallest in the region.
Taken from an article in the new york times...


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The Empire State Building saw four million visitors and a $60 million profit in 2010. Fred R. Conrad / The New York Times



The owners of the Empire State Building like to promote it as the most famous office building in the world. But the real moneymaker at the 102-story skyscraper is the view.

The cramped observation decks on the 86th and 102nd floors are startlingly profitable.

The decks attract four million visitors a year and generated $60 million in profits in 2010, while the owners made little if any money on the office space, newly disclosed documents show."

Observatories, once considered a modest sideline and a pleasant diversion, have become big business for owners seeking to wring every dollar out of office towers around the world.

Ordinarily secret, the Empire State Building's finances are buried in a 529-page prospectus recently distributed to partners in the property as part of a proposal to create a $5 billion publicly traded company.

"That's an astounding amount of money," said Richard S. LeFrak, whose family owns commercial property in New York and New Jersey. "But the Empire State Building is an iconic structure."

In Chicago the Willis Tower, the tallest building in the United States, unveiled glass balconies for the observation deck in 2009 that lets visitors look straight down, 460 meters, onto the street. Since then, attendance has jumped 28 percent, to an estimated 1.4 million in 2011.



Long dormant, Top of the Rock, the observatory at 30 Rockefeller Plaza in Manhattan, reopened six years ago and now pulls in 2.5 million visitors a year and a $25 million profit, according to real estate executives.

At what would be the city's highest observation deck - now under construction at 1 World Trade Center, a 540-meter tower - five express elevators will whisk five million visitors a year to an observatory on Floors 100 through 102.

If ticket prices were $25 each, annual revenues could exceed $100 million, not counting souvenir sales.

At the Empire State Building, even with adult tickets ranging from about $20, for a trip to the 86th floor, to $55, for those who want to avoid the lines and get to the top, attendance never sags.

T. J. Gottesdiener, managing partner at Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, the firm that designed 1 World Trade Center and the Willis Tower observatory, said that the decks offered something besides profit. "They create a public function" in a private space, he said, "giving the building another function within the city beyond its place in the skyline."

In the 1930s, when developers were competing to build the world's tallest skyscraper, it cost $1.10 to get to the Empire State Building's observatory. But that was long before observatories were turned into profit centers.

"Just about everybody on the planet has seen the Empire State Building thousands of times in movies and television, and they want to visit," said Barry Tenenbaum, president of New York City Vacation Packages. "The unobstructed view from the deck does not disappoint. It's so majestic, thrilling and romantic."

Peter Lattman contributed reporting.

The New York Times



Observation decks are where it's at now moneywise for tall buildings. The higher they are the more they make.
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Old December 18th, 2012, 10:08 PM   #31474
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Observation deck on the Willis Tower isn't 460m bur 412m above street.
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Old December 19th, 2012, 05:18 AM   #31475
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Brazilian club team Corinthians in Dubai, before traveling to Japan World Cup FIFA Club 2012.

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Old December 20th, 2012, 11:18 AM   #31476
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An interesting video.

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Old December 21st, 2012, 01:45 AM   #31477
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Indeed nice vid.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 01:27 PM   #31478
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Have you ever played Half Life 2? Burj Khalifa reminds me the City 17 Citadel

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Old December 21st, 2012, 06:05 PM   #31480
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