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Old March 6th, 2008, 11:06 AM   #4601
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1. Two measures, one single building

2. Hollow...

3. Yes, to be implemented on floor ~160

4. Which towers?

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Old March 6th, 2008, 11:18 AM   #4602
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3. Is actually NO. Burj Dubai does not have a dumper like Taipei 101, it might get water tankss at the just completed steel section floors, but even that is not 100% confirmed, I mean they have made provision in the design but when the building will be taller then now and the enginers might observe they are not needed, they will not be installed.

Harkeb: There is a public observation outdoor deck on the 124th floor, some 420 meters above ground.
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Old March 6th, 2008, 11:27 AM   #4603
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working that facade right up that tower! looking good!
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Old March 6th, 2008, 11:31 AM   #4604
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Cladding started on wing, but also looks to differ from other cladding...
Hey OTR,

Check out this link for a high res render wihch shows that type of cladding was planned for that floor.

Thx to Bikes site www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com for easy access to this and pretty much every other render available
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The Pearl Tower observation deck will always be the best one to visit. After all, it's the only one from which you won't be able to see the Pearl Tower...
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Old March 6th, 2008, 11:49 AM   #4605
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I think that the podium cladding is all the same. Its just the light which gives the false impresion that the cladding is different.
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Old March 6th, 2008, 12:22 PM   #4606
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http://i29.************/35laxqf.jpg

Cladding looks much better on the bottom left as opposed to the bottom middle part. Dont you think? i think the middle part looks abit cheap.
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Old March 6th, 2008, 12:34 PM   #4607
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3. Is actually NO. Burj Dubai does not have a dumper like Taipei 101, it might get water tankss at the just completed steel section floors, but even that is not 100% confirmed, I mean they have made provision in the design but when the building will be taller then now and the enginers might observe they are not needed, they will not be installed.

Harkeb: There is a public observation outdoor deck on the 124th floor, some 420 meters above ground.

Thanks for explanation
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Old March 6th, 2008, 12:41 PM   #4608
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http://i29.************/35laxqf.jpg

Cladding looks much better on the bottom left as opposed to the bottom middle part. Dont you think? i think the middle part looks abit cheap.
I am sure that it will look 100 times better when fully cladded
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Cladding looks much better on the bottom left as opposed to the bottom middle part. Dont you think? i think the middle part looks abit cheap.
Its the same cladding, different angle
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3. Is actually NO. Burj Dubai does not have a dumper like Taipei 101, it might get water tankss at the just completed steel section floors, but even that is not 100% confirmed, I mean they have made provision in the design but when the building will be taller then now and the enginers might observe they are not needed, they will not be installed.

Harkeb: There is a public observation outdoor deck on the 124th floor, some 420 meters above ground.

KEY DESIGN FEATURES OF BD
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Old March 6th, 2008, 01:13 PM   #4611
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I think that the podium cladding is all the same. Its just the light which gives the false impresion that the cladding is different.
Blacksmith: There are significant variations to each cladding section, where the left panel has a more prounounced aluminium vertical fin, in addition to each window segment be elongated.

Also the panels that will form the left wing is supported at a greater distance from the concrete and looks to have more tint.
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Old March 6th, 2008, 01:14 PM   #4612
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Scale 1:100 ???
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Old March 6th, 2008, 05:23 PM   #4613
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3. Is actually NO. Burj Dubai does not have a dumper like Taipei 101, it might get water tankss at the just completed steel section floors, but even that is not 100% confirmed, I mean they have made provision in the design but when the building will be taller then now and the enginers might observe they are not needed, they will not be installed.
This is a little bit annoying to me. A while back I made a comment that I thought the design of the tower was stable enough to where a damper would not be needed. I was promptly corrected by CULWULLA and Fury, who told me there would be a damper on L160 (you can see in CULWULLA's diagram), and Fury claimed he had the plans to prove it. I am now very confused and would really appreciate some clarification on this matter. Who do I believe? The two guys who live in Dubai? Or the two guys with the plans of the tower?
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Old March 6th, 2008, 06:28 PM   #4614
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Annoying??? Why is that such an important issue for you? Well... i'd like to know it too yes... but honestly i don't care whether they need one or not!? Can not understand why somebody would be annoyed about something like that...
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Old March 6th, 2008, 06:51 PM   #4615
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This is a little bit annoying to me. A while back I made a comment that I thought the design of the tower was stable enough to where a damper would not be needed. I was promptly corrected by CULWULLA and Fury, who told me there would be a damper on L160 (you can see in CULWULLA's diagram), and Fury claimed he had the plans to prove it. I am now very confused and would really appreciate some clarification on this matter. Who do I believe? The two guys who live in Dubai? Or the two guys with the plans of the tower?
1. There is no mechanical dumper

2. There are provision on the design for Tuned Sloshing Dumper. Two big water tanks on the level 160 and one small on the level 160 Mezzanine 3. HOWEVER, in the design documents itself it says: "Potential Tuned Sloshing Dumper".

What does "potential" means?
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Old March 6th, 2008, 08:17 PM   #4616
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Potential?, that's interesting. I wonder what criteria would determine whether or not a damper would need to be put in. I thought when they designed skyscrapers today they could simulate any environmental impact on the tower and build accordingly.
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Old March 6th, 2008, 08:25 PM   #4617
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Nothing has been build so high before, so maybe they are measuring constantly lateral movements of the actual building under different wind loads and compare the data collected with the results of the wind tunnel tests on the scale model of the tower. If the build structure would be performing better or the same as the tests on the model, there might be no need for the T.S. Dumpers.

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Old March 6th, 2008, 08:44 PM   #4618
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I am only annoyed because I feel like I have different people telling me different things. I just really want to understand how this thing works. This is why I'm so confused:

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You should have known by now that things are kept confidential and we can only speculate based on what we see, hear or discover.
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Old March 6th, 2008, 09:04 PM   #4620
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Nothing has been build so high before, so maybe they are measuring constantly lateral movements of the actual building under different wind loads and compare the data collected with the results of the wind tunnel tests on the scale model of the tower. If the build structure would be performing better or the same as the tests on the model, there might be no need for the T.S. Dumpers.

(My speculation)
I think that's a good speculation. We might think things will work the same on a computer (or paper, but less likely) as they will in real life so you never really know 100% until the structure is actually built.
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