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Old May 1st, 2008, 04:58 PM   #6601
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you have to consider the logistics of getting the masses of public up to the 700m level.
after floor 162, its stairs for next 40 floors. aim not even sure if the top 40 floors have air cond. can you imagine how hot it would be inside the spire structure? after climbing 40 floors you might have some hospital cases?
Stop!

Why do you speak about 40 Floors above the 162 nd? Did I miss anything?
That confuses me Culwulla. How much Floors will Burj even have?
A Spire Structure where you can climb up?
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Imre is back in Dubai!! Still have no internet connection. Will take pictures soon and post them at flickr!! Maybe anyone can repost them!! Thx
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Old May 1st, 2008, 05:38 PM   #6603
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after floor 162, its stairs for next 40 floors.
can't say for sure how many floors will be in the spire, correct? It's still a guessing game.
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Old May 1st, 2008, 05:47 PM   #6604
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but still: IMO they should make a 2nd OB-deck, in 700m or so...CN tower has also 2


At that level, by the time they put an elevator in to get you there there would only be room for three people at a time. The top 700 feet or so of this thing is just a fancy antennae, it serves no other purpose.
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Old May 1st, 2008, 05:48 PM   #6605
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i dont think its low. for a start its only 5m lower then the tiny spacedeck on cn tower. The observation deck on Burj dubai is a large floor on lev124. It also has an outdoor terrace!
The tier 11 is one of the last large floors, thus the reason why the observation deck is located there. It has a dedicated lift for all the crowds.
why go up 500 or 600m when you can see same view at 442m.?
the only higher ob deck is the 100th floor skybridge in SWFC which is only 30m higher.
the amazing thing about the outdoor terrace on lev124 burj dbai is that you can peer down 442m and also look up another 400m to tp of building. simply amazing!!
No, it is not low, but it is low for Burj Dubai. You see, it's a matter of principle. They are building the world's tallest structure of any kind and the tallest floor a civilian can reach is lower than the tallest floor of a structure that isn't even next to Burj Dubai by height.
Not just the principle, but the view from 442 m is definitively not the same as from 600m.
I mean, come on! Getting this extreme project come true, and placing the observation deck "few meters lower"? That's like coitus interruptus with Halle Berry, for god sake!
We won't be able to climb this tower and say: "I am on the tallest observatory of the tallest structure on the planet!" Oh no.

It's a terrible shame. I would at least make one more observatory way up (not necesarry way up there, where the space is extremely limited like few m^2) there and charge it double or triple the first fee. 50$, 60$? I would pay even more, no matter there is no air conditioning up there. Man, I'd climb the stairs and ladder just to be able to go to the extreme heights.

Such a shame. I was deeply dissapointed by this move from Emaar.
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Old May 1st, 2008, 06:08 PM   #6606
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No, it is not low, but it is low for Burj Dubai. You see, it's a matter of principle. They are building the world's tallest structure of any kind and the tallest floor a civilian can reach is lower than the tallest floor of a structure that isn't even next to Burj Dubai by height.
Not just the principle, but the view from 442 m is definitively not the same as from 600m.
I mean, come on! Getting this extreme project come true, and placing the observation deck "few meters lower"? That's like coitus interruptus with Halle Berry, for god sake!
We won't be able to climb this tower and say: "I am on the tallest observatory of the tallest structure on the planet!" Oh no.

It's a terrible shame. I would at least make one more observatory way up (not necesarry way up there, where the space is extremely limited like few m^2) there and charge it double or triple the first fee. 50$, 60$? I would pay even more, no matter there is no air conditioning up there. Man, I'd climb the stairs and ladder just to be able to go to the extreme heights.

Such a shame. I was deeply dissapointed by this move from Emaar.
You re right Endimion.

Shame on SOM. If they had increased the base of the Burj it would have been easy to make a much higher obersevation deck than the actual. In fact it would have been the highest in the world.
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Old May 1st, 2008, 06:22 PM   #6607
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No more habitable floors to Burj Dubai

No new habitable floors will be added beyond the completed 160 floors of the Burj Dubai, the tallest man-made structure, according to the architect who designed it.

In an exclusive interview with XPRESS, renowned architect Adrian Smith said that the remaining work on the steel-framed spire will be mostly ornamental to push the building’s height higher.

“It’s 160 total habitable floors, yes,” said Smith, while refusing to disclose the final proposed height of the structure.

“It should be topped out in another four or five months,” Smith said. “The spire is largely there to create a landmark that is a well-proportioned and elegant piece of architecture.”

Associates connected to the project say the steel spire may be at least 70 stories tall, lending credence to some predictions that the Burj Dubai could reach more than 800 metres into the sky.

Burj Dubai became the tallest freestanding structure on April 7 at 629 metres (2,064 feet) when it climbed past the KVLY-TV Mast in North Dakota, USA.

Reinforced concrete construction on the structure has been completed, Smith said, adding that workers were now erecting the steel frame, of which, only four habitable floors will be constructed to house communications equipment.

He said no other offices or residential floors will be built beyond those communications floors.

“From there on, it’s the spire,” he said.

Smith designed the building over two years after his former Chicago-based firm Skidmore Owings and Merrill won the design competition from Emaar in 2003. Below the four communications floors are 30 boutique office floors and beneath those is a combination of luxury residential and residential apartments. Closer to the bottom, the Burj Dubai features hotel residences, and at the ground level will be hotel facilities.

Smith said that strong winds had to be taken into account to avoid detectable movement in the tower. Near the top of the structure, there will be “1.2 metre drift under maximum wind load, but that’s not perceptible.”

To keep wind load under control, Smith said that 27 steps, or tiers, were built into the design of the tower to virtually break small wind vortices from gaining strength and size and thereby moving the building back and forth more than was needed.

Smith – who has now founded his own Chicago firm, Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill – said he is pleased to see the progress and said that Emaar is still consulting him on any proposed design changes.

When he first set out to derive a unique design from his three decades of experience of building some of the world’s tallest towers in America and the Far East, Smith said he wanted something that merged with the natural surroundings.

He wanted to incorporate traditional Islamic architecture into the tower, while, at the same time, using some elements of the desert’s natural beauty.

He used the shape of the Hymeocallis – a plant known in the UAE, India and the region – to instill harmony into the design. “When I designed the building, I was trying to get an organic quality to it, like something that has emerged from the ground as opposed to separating the piece from nature,” he said.

With the topping, glass cladding and landscaping yet to be completed, it will be some time before the organic vision falls into place, he explained.

Speaking of vision, Emaar Properties’ Chairman Mohammad Bin Ali Al Abbar said on the company’s website that “Burj Dubai goes beyond its imposing physical specifications. It is a source of inspiration for every one of us in Emaar. In Burj Dubai, we see the triumph of Dubai’s vision – of attaining the seemingly impossible and setting new benchmarks.“The project is a declaration of the emirate’s capabilities and of the resolve of its leaders and people to work hand in hand on truly awe-inspiring projects.”

i perosnaly dont bleive him, even thou he is my fav
http://www.xpress4me.com/news/uae/dubai/20007194.html
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Old May 1st, 2008, 06:23 PM   #6608
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For a building significantly taller than CN, they should have put a second observation floor well above 600m. They just opted not to. Oh well Al Burj is on its way and it will have an observatory at least 850m.
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Old May 1st, 2008, 06:54 PM   #6609
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Old May 1st, 2008, 07:06 PM   #6610
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I agree with having a second observatory at a higher level. Whoever bought the office space on the 160th floor could make money by turning it into a small bar/nightclub/restaurant with the views everyone really wants to see and charge more than the main observatory.
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Old May 1st, 2008, 07:27 PM   #6611
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I agree with having a second observatory at a higher level. Whoever bought the office space on the 160th floor could make money by turning it into a small bar/nightclub/restaurant with the views everyone really wants to see and charge more than the main observatory.
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would pay a lot of money just to have this great view from a possible higher observatory? Is it worth it?
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Old May 1st, 2008, 08:00 PM   #6612
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Well how much are we talking about? If it's $25 for the main observatory and $35 for the upper, then I would pay that.

No idea how much observation decks charge though...
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Old May 1st, 2008, 10:41 PM   #6613
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Old May 2nd, 2008, 01:36 AM   #6614
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Wow.... nice night shot, i love Dubai skyline..

do any one know about Imre what happing to him is he on Holiday???
Someone on his image update thread said that he's in Hungary right now. Not quite sure when he'll be back...
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Well how much are we talking about? If it's $25 for the main observatory and $35 for the upper, then I would pay that.

No idea how much observation decks charge though...
I don't know.
Do you know how much € are 25 or 35 $, Shaun?
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Old May 2nd, 2008, 02:10 AM   #6616
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Found this video on Youtube by <b>djspidernow.
Its a cruise through Dubai which at night looks amazing

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Found this video on Youtube by <b>djspidernow.
Its a cruise through Dubai which at night looks amazing.
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Take out the period and that's how it's embedded on here

Nice video, BTW
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No new habitable floors will be added beyond the completed 160 floors of the Burj Dubai, the tallest man-made structure, according to the architect who designed it.

In an exclusive interview with XPRESS, renowned architect Adrian Smith said that the remaining work on the steel-framed spire will be mostly ornamental to push the building’s height higher.

“It’s 160 total habitable floors, yes,” said Smith, while refusing to disclose the final proposed height of the structure.

“It should be topped out in another four or five months,” Smith said. “The spire is largely there to create a landmark that is a well-proportioned and elegant piece of architecture.”

Associates connected to the project say the steel spire may be at least 70 stories tall, lending credence to some predictions that the Burj Dubai could reach more than 800 metres into the sky.

Burj Dubai became the tallest freestanding structure on April 7 at 629 metres (2,064 feet) when it climbed past the KVLY-TV Mast in North Dakota, USA.

Reinforced concrete construction on the structure has been completed, Smith said, adding that workers were now erecting the steel frame, of which, only four habitable floors will be constructed to house communications equipment.

He said no other offices or residential floors will be built beyond those communications floors.

“From there on, it’s the spire,” he said.

Smith designed the building over two years after his former Chicago-based firm Skidmore Owings and Merrill won the design competition from Emaar in 2003. Below the four communications floors are 30 boutique office floors and beneath those is a combination of luxury residential and residential apartments. Closer to the bottom, the Burj Dubai features hotel residences, and at the ground level will be hotel facilities.

Smith said that strong winds had to be taken into account to avoid detectable movement in the tower. Near the top of the structure, there will be “1.2 metre drift under maximum wind load, but that’s not perceptible.”

To keep wind load under control, Smith said that 27 steps, or tiers, were built into the design of the tower to virtually break small wind vortices from gaining strength and size and thereby moving the building back and forth more than was needed.

Smith – who has now founded his own Chicago firm, Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill – said he is pleased to see the progress and said that Emaar is still consulting him on any proposed design changes.

When he first set out to derive a unique design from his three decades of experience of building some of the world’s tallest towers in America and the Far East, Smith said he wanted something that merged with the natural surroundings.

He wanted to incorporate traditional Islamic architecture into the tower, while, at the same time, using some elements of the desert’s natural beauty.

He used the shape of the Hymeocallis – a plant known in the UAE, India and the region – to instill harmony into the design. “When I designed the building, I was trying to get an organic quality to it, like something that has emerged from the ground as opposed to separating the piece from nature,” he said.

With the topping, glass cladding and landscaping yet to be completed, it will be some time before the organic vision falls into place, he explained.

Speaking of vision, Emaar Properties’ Chairman Mohammad Bin Ali Al Abbar said on the company’s website that “Burj Dubai goes beyond its imposing physical specifications. It is a source of inspiration for every one of us in Emaar. In Burj Dubai, we see the triumph of Dubai’s vision – of attaining the seemingly impossible and setting new benchmarks.“The project is a declaration of the emirate’s capabilities and of the resolve of its leaders and people to work hand in hand on truly awe-inspiring projects.”

i perosnaly dont bleive him, even thou he is my fav
http://www.xpress4me.com/news/uae/dubai/20007194.html
i find it quite weird that less the 2 weeks from his other interview he said 200 stories. and the producer asked him how many where going to be habitable and he said ( i cant tell you that). now he comes out and says 160. something is not right, sometimes i wish i was god lol
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Someone on his image update thread said that he's in Hungary right now. Not quite sure when he'll be back...

when i last spoke to him he sade he shuld be back in the end of april but he has a lot to do some private stuf to take care of so i dont think he got time for this just now
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Old May 2nd, 2008, 05:19 AM   #6620
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i find it quite weird that less the 2 weeks from his other interview he said 200 stories. and the producer asked him how many where going to be habitable and he said ( i cant tell you that). now he comes out and says 160. something is not right, sometimes i wish i was god lol
Hi Helghast.

I think in his prev. interview he was referring to a height equivalent to over 200 stories. Same as the over 40 stories to go with the spire statement.

I believe that is what is misleading many people on the floorcount. It is easier for the layman to understand a number of stories vs. the linear height so it is stated assuming people realize it is just a representation of the height and not the actual number of levels in the structure.

Here is a good example from one of my favorite towers that obviously doesn't have many levels at all.
Here is a pic of a plaque at the CN tower stating 147 stories for the second observation deck. Again just a height equivalent to 147 stories - at 10 feet / story as well which many residential buildings have.




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