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Old May 25th, 2008, 01:24 PM   #7401
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Local laws are relaxed enough for everyone with some brain, to enjoy the place and the visit here.
Me and most of the (so called) western residents of the city are happy that Dubai has not become a destination for hordes of trash like South of Spain, some Greek islands and Cancoun in Mexico. Not only that, but we would prefer it to stay that way. PERIOD!

Now back to BURJ DUBAI, the tower!!!
Just an observation AltinD
You are quick to bark at anyone with any opinion on Dubai you dont agree with, or a 'non wow' opinion of the Burj Dubai by shouting at them to keep ON TOPIC
but
Only after YOU have put your viewpoint in a subject thats not ON TOPIC
Above is just an illustration.

Why dont you do , what you demand others to 'do' ?
You are breaking your own 'rules'
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Old May 25th, 2008, 02:15 PM   #7402
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You have to talk less and post that video (you know which one) instead
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Old May 25th, 2008, 02:36 PM   #7403
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I have a concern. How will people on the top floors survive without toilet paper? I think it's a serious hazard!
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Old May 25th, 2008, 02:40 PM   #7404
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You have to talk less and post that video (you know which one) instead
Deflect the issue and hide it in the sand...?
I see the 'Dubai way' has rubbed off.

Video ?
No chance...


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I have a concern. How will people on the top floors survive without toilet paper? I think it's a serious hazard!
Anybody who can afford to live the top floors will have someone else who wipes their arse, and its they, who will have to worry about how they are going to do that.
Anyway.....they have 'ass blasting water jets' over here....very effective in lieu of toilet paper....but messy.

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Old May 25th, 2008, 02:48 PM   #7405
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Deflect the issue and hide it in the sand...?
I see the 'Dubai way' has rubbed off.

Video ?
No chance....
You are withholding very valuable informations and in a Court of Law that is considered obstructing of justice and it would be punishable. Maybe we can use the same concept over here.

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I have a concern. How will people on the top floors survive without toilet paper? I think it's a serious hazard!
Come again?
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Old May 25th, 2008, 02:49 PM   #7406
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Your laws and traditions are important and must be respected especially in and around a mosque for example. In the general tourist area however if they are kept to the strictest standards, then you would only attract an Islamic world, provided that's what you want. If Dubai will become a world city, then it must relax CERTAIN public laws to attract the rest of the world or the city won't get much bigger than this. Nobody is asking for a Las Vegas here...not at all. It must have a global invite unless the Emir doesn't want it.
Nope, Dubai should set its own standard and the world need to adjust itself to it if they want to come here. I am not asking them to cover from head to toe for God sake, am only demanding the least level of decency and morals. If they cannot do that, then they are worthless and Dubai would benefit from them not coming here.
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Old May 25th, 2008, 02:51 PM   #7407
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Just an observation AltinD
You are quick to bark at anyone with any opinion on Dubai you dont agree with, or a 'non wow' opinion of the Burj Dubai by shouting at them to keep ON TOPIC
but
Only after YOU have put your viewpoint in a subject thats not ON TOPIC
Above is just an illustration.

Why dont you do , what you demand others to 'do' ?
You are breaking your own 'rules'
Can i take a second to explain something to Downfallen:

This thread is for a skyscraper, the people who visit this thread are the people who are interested in the building, and like to see it progress. How sad do you have to be to go out of your way to find threads on the internet of things you don't like, just so you can cause controversy and disrupt the status quo of the site. We come to this thread because we like the building not because we hate Dubai and need to make sure we know as much as possible to hate it even more.

You will notice that very few threads (be them in Dubai, New York, Chicago etc.) which are plagued by people who dislike the buildings, people look at the threads that interest them. And always remember "If you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!"
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Old May 25th, 2008, 02:57 PM   #7408
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You are withholding very valuable information and in a Court of Law that is considered obstruction of justice and it can be punishable. Maybe we can use the same concept over here.
Who said I have any video or valuable information ?
AssUMption makes an 'Ass' out of 'U' and 'Me'
remember that

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How sad do you have to be to go out of your way to find threads on the internet of things you don't like
Thats a good point, and I dont.
Im pointing out an inconsistant level of moderation in this thread, thats all

Not everything about Dubai and The BD is 'good' ...if people are allowed to express their overwhelmingly positive personal opinions about both, then those who have a less star studded opinion should be given the same opportunity....or neither at all.
Thats good moderation.

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Old May 25th, 2008, 03:26 PM   #7409
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what a great shot. sorry but i downsized it to show
i cant believe thats a supertall to burjdubais left (Burj hotel 1000ft).
this really is in a league of its own. megatall.
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Old May 25th, 2008, 03:29 PM   #7410
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yes, the height difference looks really extreme in that shot
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Old May 25th, 2008, 03:42 PM   #7411
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Does look amazing, the future is with us right now, and I think I want to visit Dubai!!
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Old May 25th, 2008, 04:06 PM   #7412
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Local laws are relaxed enough for everyone with some brain, to enjoy the place and the visit here.

Me and most of the (so called) western residents of the city are happy that Dubai has not become a destination for hordes of trash like South of Spain, some Greek islands and Cancoun in Mexico. Not only that, but we would prefer it to stay that way. PERIOD!

Now back to BURJ DUBAI, the tower!!!
I went to the South of Spain myself last year. So as not to be labelled as trash, I should add that I went there to see the ancient Islamic cities of Seville, Granada and Cordoba and didn't go near a beach. All the same, I don't think it is right for anyone to dismiss other people as 'trash' because they adopt a certain lifestyle. In the West, nowadays, there is a much more relaxed attitude to sex and alcohol consumption. That wasn't always the case. A hundred years ago, the West was very puritanical in its attitudes and saw the Middle East with its harems and erotic dancing as a hotbed of licentiousness. Perhaps a hundred years from now, that will be true again.

If you look at the advertising for the Burj Dubai, it is clearly aimed at people seeking a sybaritic lifestyle, as would be expected. It is something entirely Western in its secular, materialistic outlook and that appears to be how a large part of the Middle East is now going as it becomes wealthier. At the same time, disatisfaction with this view of the world is slowly emerging in the West.

As an engineer and skyscraper enthusiast, I'm quite fascinated by this tower and the other towers planned for Dubai, but I can honestly say that I am not envious of it. I think there is a feeling in the West that we have been there and now is the time to move on.
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Old May 25th, 2008, 04:48 PM   #7413
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Well, at least you have already visited Dubai
I wish I could travel there
I was lucky enough to visit about 12 times.
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Old May 25th, 2008, 05:24 PM   #7414
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SERVICING THE BURJ

"With services risers running the full 600m+ height of the building, designing MEP systems to serve the Burj Dubai has taken great care. How will the tower be serviced?

Billed as the tallest building in the world, the task of providing MEP services to the Burj Dubai was always going to be a challenge.

The world records made by the Emaar Properties' project stretch to the services themselves, with the longest lift shaft in the world and mechanical operating pressures that would send some MEP consultants into a cold sweat.

Despite this, the mission of providing reliable and efficient MEP services for the tower has involved the use of proven technologies and off-the-shelf products - albeit under a very close and detailed design and installation process and a major logistics programme ... "

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PROJECT: Burj Dubai

• Client: Emaar Properties
• Project manager: Turner Construction International
• Main contractor: Samsung Corporation
• Architect and designer: Skidmore, Owings and Merrill (SOM)
• Supervision consultant: Hyder Consulting Middle East
• MEP consultant: Skidmore, Owings and Merrill (SOM)
• MEP contractor: ETA-Voltas-Hitachi Plant JV
• Lighting designer: FMS
• Lift contractor: Otis
• ELV contractor: Johnson Controls


CONTRACT DETAILS:

• Tender date: April 2005
• Construction start date: August 2005


SUPPLIERS:

• AHUs: Klimak
• BMS: Honeywell
• Boilers: Hurst
• Cable: Ducab
• Cable management: Barton, KSC
• CCTV: Bosch, Johnson Control
• Chilled water pumps: KSB
• Chillers: Trane
• CHW valves: Milwaukee
• Commissioning valves: Tour & Andersson
• Controls: Honeywell
• Control valves: Honeywell
• Drainage: National Plastics, Spears
• Ductwork: Emirates Ducts, Weathermaker
• Electrical accessories: Crabtree
• Electrical distribution: ABB
• Emergency luminaries: CEAG
• Expansion joints: ATS/Yoo Chang
• Extract fans: Greenheck
• Fan coil units: Mekar
• Fire alarm/detection: Honeywell
• Fire dampers: KBE
• Fire pumps: ITT AC
• Fire smoke dampers: KBE
• Flues: Midtherm
• Grilles and diffusers: Air Master, Anemostat
• Heat exchangers: Alfa Laval
• HV switchgear: ABB
• Insulation: Cape East, Kimmco
• Lighting controls: Dynalite
• LV switchgear: ABB
• Plumbing pumps: ITT Lowara, ITT Vogel
• Power busbar: Cutler Hammer, Eaton
• Pressure independent control valves: Tour & Andersson
• Public address system: Crolon, Tanoy
• Pressurisation: Armstrong
• Sanitaryware: Duravit, Hansgrohe, Dornbracht
• Sewage/sump pumps: Grundfos
• Sound attenuation: Prime Tech
• Sprinklers: NAFFCO
• Standby generation: Caterpillar
• VAV boxes: Solid Air
• Water heaters: AO Smith


BURJ DUBAI: THE FIGURES

• 121,000 light fittings;
• 170 pumps;
• 34km chilled water pipework;
• 4,000 fan coil units;
• 140 air handling units;
• 3,600 fans;
• 52 heat exchangers;
• 225,000 chilled water pipe fittings;
• 33,000 chilled water valves;
• 74.15MW electrical load;
• 1.8 million metres of conduit;
• 55km cable tray;
• 1.5 km of busbar;
• 250km lv cables;
• 20km of mv cables;
• 71 transformers;
• 5,000 facade lights;
• 375km fire alarm cabling;
• 10,000TR cooling load.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/51644...tter=1&start=0
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Old May 25th, 2008, 06:11 PM   #7415
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That's a lot of stuff, ain't it?
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Old May 25th, 2008, 06:26 PM   #7416
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Well, contrary to "popular belief" this thread IS about Burj Dubai, isn't it?
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Old May 25th, 2008, 06:42 PM   #7417
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Old May 25th, 2008, 07:12 PM   #7418
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Wow the tower looks so huge. It dwarves everything around it. Very impressive and massive. It demonstrates the abilities of humanity when it comes construction! It reminds me of the towers in Coruscant!



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I went to the South of Spain myself last year. So as not to be labelled as trash, I should add that I went there to see the ancient Islamic cities of Seville, Granada and Cordoba and didn't go near a beach. All the same, I don't think it is right for anyone to dismiss other people as 'trash' because they adopt a certain lifestyle. In the West, nowadays, there is a much more relaxed attitude to sex and alcohol consumption. That wasn't always the case. A hundred years ago, the West was very puritanical in its attitudes and saw the Middle East with its harems and erotic dancing as a hotbed of licentiousness. Perhaps a hundred years from now, that will be true again.

If you look at the advertising for the Burj Dubai, it is clearly aimed at people seeking a sybaritic lifestyle, as would be expected. It is something entirely Western in its secular, materialistic outlook and that appears to be how a large part of the Middle East is now going as it becomes wealthier. At the same time, disatisfaction with this view of the world is slowly emerging in the West.

As an engineer and skyscraper enthusiast, I'm quite fascinated by this tower and the other towers planned for Dubai, but I can honestly say that I am not envious of it. I think there is a feeling in the West that we have been there and now is the time to move on.
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Just an observation AltinD
You are quick to bark at anyone with any opinion on Dubai you dont agree with, or a 'non wow' opinion of the Burj Dubai by shouting at them to keep ON TOPIC
but
Only after YOU have put your viewpoint in a subject thats not ON TOPIC
Above is just an illustration.

Why dont you do , what you demand others to 'do' ?
You are breaking your own 'rules'
Two golden posts. However SCC is a shrine to Dubai and we must all worship it! ^_^
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If you can't get it what this website is all about and why the name of the site (Skyscrapercity) or this thread (World's Tallest Structure: Burj Dubai) are what they are, then you got a problem that no magic would be able to cure.
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Old May 25th, 2008, 08:13 PM   #7420
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