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Old June 7th, 2008, 09:42 PM   #7721
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Are those guys installing the vertical metal bars?
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Old June 7th, 2008, 10:27 PM   #7722
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Some views in and around Downtown Dubai

http://www.onetruemedia.com/otm_site...ork_id=6331830

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Old June 7th, 2008, 11:09 PM   #7723
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As I understand it, in all the BD building diagrams, the wings point to 12 o'clock, 4 and 8 o'clock which would be 0, 120 and 240, but in the document on Tier Methodology, the real directions the wings face are 60, 180 and 300, and the building entrances in the core tips face 0 (North) 120 and 240.

I'm used to seeing maps where north points to the top, but in all the BD diagrams, it appears that North corresponds to the 2 o'clock position, or 60 degrees clockwise of what I would usually see on a North American map.

Did I miss something ? or what would be the explanation for showing it in this orientation ?

Also, what are the two low ( 5 and 8 storey) triangular shaped structures located at the ends of two of the Podium wings ?

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Hi Library.

Here is a drawing showing the podium layout. They call the 2 "buildings" the pool annex and the office annex. Uses seem obvious but I would think the pool annex is more than just for a pool. This is the view most prints and drawings have from 120 degrees. North is marked.



Here is something I cooked up ages ago from a drawing from Doka that shows the direction of the wings. The drawing is from the 705 m. version but it is accurate up past tier 17 where I stopped. In this The tiers I have marked are the roofs of that particular wing - they are also the terrace of the tier above. In my methodology I worded it clearly stating this for each tier. This drawing is from ages ago and there wasn't room to put in the relationship between the roofs and the terraces so I made my methodology.



This drawing like most blueprints is from 120 degrees.
I will refer to this drawing here - when I mention tiers it refers to the roof of that wing.
The main wings; A, B, and C face 300, 60, and 180 respectively - tiers 0 to 11.
The core tips face the same as the 3 entrances ( which are all on a different level, but I digress ) at 0, 120, and 240 - tiers 12, 13, and 14.
Tiers 15, 16, and 17 wings face the same as the main wings - back to 60, 180, and 300.
Tiers 18, 19, and 20 wings face the same as the core tips / entrances at 0, 120, and 240.
The next 3; 21, 22, and 23 face the same as the previous 3 - 0, 120, and 240. This is the only time a set of 3 tiers does not rotate 60 degrees from the previous 3 since the main wing tiers.
Tiers 24, 25, and 26 face 60, 180, and 300.

Here is a print I photoshopped to show the start of tier 22 and the shape of tier 21. The terrace faces 0 to start tier 22 then the rest of the tier rises up with 2 wings. I had to shop it up because I don't have a print for this tier.



Tiers 27 to 30 are circular with no wings.

This may help illustrate. It is a print of level 139 - the first level of tier 12. The last setback left of the main wing facing 180 ( bottom left ) is the terrace for tier 12 and also the roof of that wing of tier 11. Levels 140 to 143 of tier 12 are symmetrical with 3 wings.



I hope this makes sense - it does to me.

Perhaps I should have put pics in my methodology but it is all so clear to me.

I'm such a nerd ...

A little long winded but I am trying to make it as clear to you as it is to me.

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Old June 7th, 2008, 11:14 PM   #7724
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where did you get these pics from ?????
Hi Helghast.

He says where he got it just 2 posts above yours ...

Also I am still waiting for your info on how the render from "the book" is different than the rest and how they are following it and not the plans ...

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Old June 7th, 2008, 11:16 PM   #7725
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Are those guys installing the vertical metal bars?
Yes they are installing the missing pieces on the MF cladding. Can't wait till they're done with it.
BTW nice progress on the second MF
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Old June 8th, 2008, 12:18 AM   #7726
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I'm used to seeing maps where north points to the top, but in all the BD diagrams, it appears that North corresponds to the 2 o'clock position, or 60 degrees clockwise of what I would usually see on a North American map.

Did I miss something ? or what would be the explanation for showing it in this orientation ?
The coast is facing northwest. Sheikh Zayed Road, which is running parallel to coastline, is usually determining the default axis in Dubai projects, as is the same situation with Burj Dubai. In architecture you don't draw the projects according geographical directions. When it's on paper, it is more important to see how the building sits on city's default grids, rather than seeing the north direction like on a country map.
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Old June 8th, 2008, 02:04 AM   #7727
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The 108° F on thursday must have felt like 120° F in the shade with the humidity !
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Old June 8th, 2008, 02:57 AM   #7728
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Mind your own business.

Or read the post two above your own, dumbass.
who the f**k do u think you are calling me a dumbass ?

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Hi Helghast.

He says where he got it just 2 posts above yours ...

Also I am still waiting for your info on how the render from "the book" is different than the rest and how they are following it and not the plans ...

i'm not home yet, but as soon as i get home i will post them
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Old June 8th, 2008, 03:16 AM   #7729
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The spire has more structural importance then people credit it with.



... plus, why CN Tower goes for a further 130 meters up, above the sky pod? Not that it would really concern me because I don't care wither way about that structure, just a note considering the subject was brought up.
Also the fact that the spire still contains structural levels, which can be walked up most of the way by stairs - at least until you have to actually climb up in the spire itself to the very very top.

Most of these levels seem small, but I really think that if they wanted to turn these into livable floors, they could... I cant stress this enough... but look much farther back earlier this year, when that tennis star visited the burj and took a ride to the top and was standing pretty much within the steel structure. It was shorter then, but you can still get an idea of how big it really is if you watch the video and pay attention to the detail by comparing the size of the people to the size of the X beams - probably about 1500sq ft at the level they were at (I think level 159 or 160)

At the height its at now, relative floor space will probably be around 700-900sq ft (the size of my 2bd, 2bath apt), but it looks way smaller than that from ground level of course.
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Old June 8th, 2008, 06:18 AM   #7730
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fury-i understand what your saying. its taken a while but people will eventually undertsand BD design.
otr-great shots. i like the frame work on the tier roofs. will compliments each roof. sort of crowns the tier nicely.i suppose they are not only architectural but have a purpose being the frame that holds up the BMU for each tier face.
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Old June 8th, 2008, 05:07 PM   #7731
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For which building is the crane (under construction) in the the Panorama of OTR`s Update 8th May 08? Is it for Burj View V Tower?
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Old June 8th, 2008, 05:28 PM   #7732
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that if they wanted to turn these into livable floors, they could... I cant stress this enough...
...At the height its at now, relative floor space will probably be around 700-900sq ft (the size of my 2bd, 2bath apt)
Lol....there's not that much room up there ( yes I do know how much room there is)
Then factor in the fact of what the closed space will be ( when the walls are fitted around the steel......and any access required for those apartments in terms of lifts and emergency stairs.)

It would be silly to have the smallest, less luxurious apartments having the best views from the whole building.....the people who could afford the view from the top, would expect more from their apartments.

If they made three , four or five levels into one luxery penthouse apartment....that would be an idea
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Old June 8th, 2008, 06:24 PM   #7733
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If they made three , four or five levels into one luxery penthouse apartment....that would be an idea
LOL... even a 3 level penthouse would have an astronomical price...
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Old June 8th, 2008, 07:03 PM   #7734
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LOL... even a 3 level penthouse would have an astronomical price...
Well, yes, but it is 100% that it would get sold. No matter the price.
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Old June 8th, 2008, 08:43 PM   #7735
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flickr, by bentobaki. Exif data are false (Dated july 1st 2005), seems very recent though (june 5th-6th?)

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Great shot of the cladded podium & u/c entrance.

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Old June 8th, 2008, 08:44 PM   #7736
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Lol....there's not that much room up there ( yes I do know how much room there is)
Then factor in the fact of what the closed space will be ( when the walls are fitted around the steel......and any access required for those apartments in terms of lifts and emergency stairs.)

It would be silly to have the smallest, less luxurious apartments having the best views from the whole building.....the people who could afford the view from the top, would expect more from their apartments.

If they made three , four or five levels into one luxery penthouse apartment....that would be an idea
There is around 900 sq. feet up there at the moment. you can assume one side is 12-15m, then do basic math, if you know how to calculate the area of the triangle you will find the answer. I have not calculated it but it should be between 70-90 sq m, very roughly 1000 sq feet. I mean it's not 250 sq feet or something...
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Old June 8th, 2008, 08:47 PM   #7737
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and i'm sure there will be people who would like to buy world's highest 1 bedroom penthouse or say loft, even with the steel structure exposed inside, i would buy it if i had the money
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Old June 8th, 2008, 08:51 PM   #7738
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How long would it be estimated to demolish this structure, I mean after like 1000 years even. They can't use dinamites can they?
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Old June 8th, 2008, 08:52 PM   #7739
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How deep is steel structure on top rooted in to the concrete structure underneath?
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Old June 8th, 2008, 08:54 PM   #7740
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lol, this tower is still UC and you're already talking about demolishing . but when the time is ready, believe me...they won't use Dynamit
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