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Old August 29th, 2008, 12:18 PM   #9581
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how can you tell? yes the top bends away from the point the photo's taken and gets smaller but I cannot see that glasses are on steel there.

But the steel structure definately begun in there and 2nd mech floor is mostly cladded therefore its quite recent.

anyway back to recent photos, new photos from www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com



I think I can see new column on top for the 17th floor or maybe not.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 12:23 PM   #9582
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Who maintains burjdubaiskyscraper?
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Old August 29th, 2008, 12:27 PM   #9583
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Hmm.. it seemed to me that the steel section hadn't been begun on that photo. So this photo has been taken about 2 - 3 months ago?
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Old August 29th, 2008, 12:37 PM   #9584
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cmmn people wake up, this photo is taken around june 2008, the 2nd cladding is almost done, steel section is definately there, its the darker section above the exposed concrete core at about 4 floors complete. And look how far up the cladding has gone up in this photo (alot)

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This photo is when only first floor of the steel section has nearly finished January 2008. See how far cladding has reached when steel section just began (nowhere near half way).




This is the earliest photo of I can find of when the steel began on concrete core which was taken in mid-december 2007.


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Old August 29th, 2008, 12:39 PM   #9585
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That first steel floor took a month...
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Old August 29th, 2008, 02:01 PM   #9586
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I might get tripped out working at that height. Either that or love every second of it. Likely the latter.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 03:37 PM   #9587
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[*]Steel spire/pinnacle: Lifetime = 100s of years. Okay, susceptible to rust, stresses, microfractures etc. But with maintenance, can last definitely a few centuries I would say (e.g. look at the Golden Gate Bridge still going strong)
Golden Gate Bridge might not be the best example since most of it has been replaced over the years.

Generally with structures we design on the basis of 50-100 year building life. But of course if it is maintained well it can last indefinitely. And alternatively, for less significant buildings, if people decide they don't like it anymore it might get knocked down after 20 years! The design life is just a hypothetical thing we use for calculations on fatigue (failure due to repeated loading cycles) etc. At some point in the future, most buildings would undergo a condition assessment to see whether it's viable to extend the design life beyond that originally intended, with the usual answer being 'yes'.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 03:49 PM   #9588
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Project to comprise Five-star Hotel, 1,000 Apartments, Shopping Centre and Conference Centre



Project to comprise Five-star Hotel, 1,000 Apartments, Shopping Centre and Conference Centre.


Dubai, UAE, 11th June 2007: Surrounded by the picturesque Sierre Madre mountains and a panoramic seaport, the sunny, palm-lined beach city of Mazatlan on the Northern Pacific Coast of Mexico is set to become the latest vacation destination for tourists from the Middle East, as Hydra PropertiesHydra PropertiesHydra Properties
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begins making waves with the proposed launch of its latest prestigious USD 500 million project called "Hydra Waves."


"We have chosen to launch our property in Mazatlan because, like UAE, it offers visitors diverse choices in tourism including its rich heritage and traditions, and colorful colonial-style architecture," said Dr Sulaiman Al Fahim, Chief Executive Officer, Hydra PropertiesHydra PropertiesHydra Properties
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"We have named this project Hydra Waves because it will be coming up amidst the waves in the sea and will present a delightful oceanic attraction for tourists," said Dr Al Fahim, while adding "Mazatlan is positioned as an ideal, affordable vacation choice for tourists in its variety of activities such as aquatic sports, kids activities, fishing, bird-watching, golf, tennis, horse-riding, fine dining, shopping and nightlife."


Detailing the project offerings, he said "Hydra Waves" will comprise of a five-star hotel having 500 rooms, one thousand Apartments with a sea-view, a 1,000-seat Conference Centre, Shopping Centre and Ballroom Hall.


The five-star hotel will offer tourists a comfortable stay in its luxurious 500 rooms, while one thousand Apartments are coming up in the same vicinity to provide accommodation to those seeking their own residential space with a sea-view.


"In this project, we are also looking at attracting the business community and will be setting up a Conference Centre that will seat 1,000 persons. Since shopping is a major draw for the inbound tourists and visitors, we are building a shopping centre that will cover 100,000 square feet area and cater to their needs."


"Hydra PropertiesHydra PropertiesHydra Properties
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, through its many developments, is showcasing its strengths in building communities that highlight a difference in their environments through establishment of comfortable lifestyles." ended Dr. Al Fahim.


Hydra Waves is the latest of the many prestigious projects from Hydra PropertiesHydra PropertiesHydra Properties
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, which is focusing on ushering in the best of modern concepts defining state-of-the-art living. The company is a leading residential and business developer in the UAE with its prominent offerings such as "Hydra Village," which is a trend-setting, mixed-use, eco-friendly community that is amongst the most technologically-advanced such developments in the UAE.


Besides Hydra Village, the developer has also come up with five other successful towering projects that highlight the UAE skyline with names like "Hydra Towers," "Eves Tower," "Hydra Downtown Tower," "Hydra Twin Towers" and "Hydra Village."


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About Hydra Properties
Launched in mid 2006 by the Royal Group, Hydra PropertiesHydra PropertiesHydra Properties
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is aimed at launching and expanding a significant number of multi-purpose property projects targeting residents, businessmen & tourists. Furthermore, Hydra PropertiesHydra PropertiesHydra Properties
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remains focused on adding local, regional and international prime real estate projects and investment opportunities to its exponentially widening portfolio. Value remains the key; value to the company's stakeholders, and lifetime value to the communities that Hydra PropertiesHydra PropertiesHydra Properties
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creates.


Hydra PropertiesHydra PropertiesHydra Properties
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is focused on creating full-fledged communities that flourish in enriching environments defined by comfort, serenity and well-being. These communities bloom, surrounded by amenities in profusion, and at peace with the environment, in true ecological synergy. Real Estate businessmen who choose to invest in these communities, can rest assured to receive immeasurable value in return for their smart investment.


These communities prosper in thriving developments, whose strategic location in proximity to business centres and commercial hubs, provide for comfortable living. Hydra Towers, Eves Tower, Hydra Down Town Tower, and Hydra Twin Towers and other projects are but a few examples of Hydra PropertiesHydra PropertiesHydra Properties
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' ever-growing realty portfolio, which includes mega projects that will soon generate shockwaves in the real estate market.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 05:16 PM   #9589
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I think I can see new column on top for the 17th floor or maybe not.
The 17th steel floor started on Wednesday afternoon and as of this morning at least two columns were up, however you don't see any of that on the picture you posted because that was taken before the new floor started. What you see is just the arm of one of the cranes.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 09:14 PM   #9590
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when do they finish this building?
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Old August 29th, 2008, 09:38 PM   #9591
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August 2009

August 29th by roibradbury, flickr:
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Old August 29th, 2008, 09:41 PM   #9592
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The fountain...? Please...?
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Old August 29th, 2008, 10:01 PM   #9593
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- google - one of the first results ...

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Nice zz - pics of section 21A - not that I didn't believe Altin but pics speak volumes.

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Old August 29th, 2008, 11:56 PM   #9594
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great pics, thanks for the updates!
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Old August 30th, 2008, 02:08 AM   #9595
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Please refer to the post DIRECTLY before yours.
Are those gondolas going to be stablised? I hate to think of cleaning windows up there when the gondola is swinging because of the winds.
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Old August 30th, 2008, 03:03 AM   #9596
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the building is going to have special arms just for cleaning the windows
so somehow the building cleans itself
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Old August 30th, 2008, 04:27 AM   #9597
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Watch this Codename Asero, I see Burj Dubai. Look at that video in the link below from 10:00 to 10:40
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1535103358mkkYgS
I caught those 2 screenshots. This was originally in May 2008.

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This screenshot is at the center and the tallest one.

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This screenshot is at the left. I see the Rose Tower at the right of Burj Dubai.

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Old August 30th, 2008, 09:12 AM   #9598
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only according to WIKIPEDIA

Rainfall is generally light, with a mean of about 150 millimetres (6 in) per year; precipitation is usually centered around January, February and March. However, heavy rain is not uncommon in Dubai during the winter months and January 2008 saw a record of 120mm (or 5") of rain falling in just 24 hours, [34] The mean humidity in Dubai is about 60% and is higher during the cooler winter months.
Thank you!

Maybe they have some great system to clean the windows, that we don't know about. Some waterfalls from the top of each section. Will see.
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Old August 30th, 2008, 10:06 AM   #9599
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They do!

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On the window cleaning topic.

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The cladding will be cleaned using an advanced window washing and façade maintenance system consisting of twelve permanently-installed, track-mounted, telescopic building maintenance machines located in internal garages at the tower's mechanical zones.

The manned cleaning cradles of the machines will be capable of serving the entire facade from its garage level downward to level 5 with jib arm lengths when fully extended of over 20 metres.

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Old August 30th, 2008, 11:11 AM   #9600
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Going back to the question of the lifetime of this tower... I think the main factor is MAINTENANCE.

Let's think of the components of the Burj Dubai:
  • Concrete core: Lifetime = 1000s of years. E.g. the Pantheon's domed roof in Rome. Used to support a lot of weight (e.g. the Hoover Dam)
  • Steel spire/pinnacle: Lifetime = 100s of years. Okay, susceptible to rust, stresses, microfractures etc. But with maintenance, can last definitely a few centuries I would say (e.g. look at the Golden Gate Bridge still going strong)
  • Glazed envelope: Lifetime = 30 years? Short lifetime due to weathering (e.g. sandblasting), but it's not a problem because it's very easy to replace and buildings are forever replacing glass panels
  • Building services plant and distribution: Lifetime = 30 years? There is space within the building to upgrade and renovate. Not a problem
You're looking at this from a purely architectural / construction point of view.
The other considerations you have omitted are . . .

Socio-economic factors - The make-up and stability of the local population, visiting tourists and labour force. The wealth, well-being and attitude of each of these groups.

Tourist Status - The attraction and *feasability* of Dubai's tourist destinations. Will they continue to bring in the crowds and will they always be priced right so as to attract the number of tourists necessary to sustain the maintenance of the buildings, surrounding buildings and infrastructure.

World Resource Depletion - What impact will high prices of oil, water and other resources be on a place which is built in a desert area. Green vegetation may be planted but how can you eliminate a desert climate? Certain resources in large quantities are needed to sustain this built-up "dreamland".

World Politics - Will the UAE always be "neutral"? Will the UAE's neighbours always be friendly? Will politics make other destinations more popular than Dubai?

World Peace - What impact will a Middle East / World war have on Dubai?

Natural Disasters - Earthquakes, giant sand storms, monsoons, drought, floods, etc. Is Dubai safe from these for the next 10, 20, 50, 100 years?

Bible Prophecy - Those who read and believe the Bible are looking forward to the soon return of the Lord Jesus Christ. His advent will be recognised in the earth by many things, one being a worldwide earthquake of excessive proportions. Zech 14v4. Accordingly, the Burj Dubai will only stand for as long as Christ remains away.

With a long term, wider view the Burj Dubai isn't such a sure proposition.
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