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Old November 10th, 2010, 11:16 PM   #361
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of course exactly what ground they would attack i have no idea.
Send them to Afghanistan. Saves us calling in air support from the Americans or British when the Taliban decide to take a few pot shots at us. It's why we had those Aussie jets during a recent exercise.

Really could have done with those F-16's a while back.
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Old April 23rd, 2011, 05:21 AM   #362
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Upgraded Orions due back

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4921...rions-due-back

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The first of the Royal New Zealand Air Force's refurbished Orion patrol aircraft is due back in Auckland today after a multi-million dollar upgrade which should keep the aircraft in the air for another 15 years.

The six Orions, now 46 years old, are getting new surveillance, reconnaissance, navigation and communication systems at a cost of $373 million. The upgrades will allow the air force to extend the Orions' role far wider than their traditional maritime surveillance.

The first upgraded Orion has been renamed as a P-3K2 and is due to touch down at the Whenuapai air base in Auckland today.

The air force said the upgrade was a significant milestone and a ``quantum leap forward in technology''.

It would improve the intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capability during military operations or other missions supporting other Government agencies.

The air force said the upgraded gear in the Orions would introduce a significant and fundamental change in the operation of the Orion to include overland operations as well as its traditional maritime operations.

Instead of being a maritime patrol force it would be known as an Airborne Surveillance and Response Force.

The modifications included upgraded communications, navigation, surveillance and data management systems.

The Orions would have a ``glass flight deck'' and the package included a flight deck trainer, a crew trainer, system and software testing and integration laboratories and flight planning systems.

The first Orion was upgraded in Greenville, Texas, and the other five would be done at the Safe Air NZ plant at Woodbourne, Blenheim.

The Government earlier said the fleet was critical to meeting its defence policies and other roles, including the surveillance of New Zealand's exclusive economic zone (EEZ).

However, obsolete gear on the aircraft limited surveillance flights and other missions because they were repeatedly breaking down.

The air force was also facing increasing difficulties meetings its commitments to Australia and Five Power Defence Partners because of the obsolescence of the Orions, the Government said.

The first five Orions were delivered in 1965 and a sixth was bought second hand in 1985.

On long missions they could shut down two engines and stay in the air for more than 15 hours.

The Orions have been widely used on search and rescue missions around New Zealand's search and rescue zone, the largest in the world, and on surveillance flights around the world's fourth largest EEZ.

The aircraft had a systems upgrade about 30 years ago and new wings were fitted 11 years ago.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 01:44 PM   #363
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What about NZ navy , P3 are getting outdated and US Navy is getting updated with P8, We all Knew that US Navy is going to get 117 P-8As to replace P-3Orion which are serving from 1962...

What will NZ do about P3's will get updated to P8 else it will increase it Unmanned capabilities

Many has this Question, why has the US Navy and Boeing invested so much in the P-8A - a manned platform with operational concepts that date back 50 years?

Here is the answer lies in its capabilities

http://www.naval-technology.com/feat...time-aircraft/
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Old April 15th, 2015, 03:56 PM   #364
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"Globemasters to cost at least $600m"

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Old April 22nd, 2015, 01:37 AM   #365
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As discussed on the Airports and Aviation thread, NZDF is close to obtaining two C17s.

They are considered the out and out favorite to replace the 757 and reliance on other allies or civilian airlifters. The main criteria is to fly to Antarctica, loiter for two hours without tluching down and return to NZ on a full load in bad weather.

The only serious contender is Airbus and the smaller A400M which claims a similar performance level but is yet to be proven. Airbus also claims cheaper running costs and the fact that three could be obtained for the same cost as two C17. Airbus has been pushing the A400M through print media since February, claiming it's virtues that fit New Zealand's Defence needs perfectly.

Both types can carry all NZDF equipment including the NH90 helicopter and APC. The ability to serve the smaller Pacific island nations in times of crisis seems to lean towards the A400M but the NZ Government looks to be keeping three C130s going even though the airframes are 50 years old. The C130J was looked but only if to replace the remaining C130s in time.

The C17s will be the last of the final ten that Boeing has built as "white tails" and could be in service as early as late 2016.
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 12:43 AM   #366
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Bi partisan support between Labour and National
on the C17s
So this is a done deal for 2016
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 03:14 AM   #367
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The A400m as a taxpayer is probably the better deal...but I'm rooting for the C17 simply because of the awe factor. There was one buzzing towns down here last year and it was amazing.
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Old April 26th, 2015, 07:12 AM   #368
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I'm not sure the awe factor should be the defining judgement on military spending, otherwise I'd be rooting for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9seapca1Vh0
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Old May 10th, 2015, 02:51 AM   #369
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Airbus is to investigate why a brand new A400M "fell out of the sky" after flight crew suddenly reported a fault shortly after taking off from Airbus' test facilities near Seville, Spain earlier today. Of the six tezt crew on board, two have survived. Witnesses said the aircraft was attempting to land when it suddenly plunged into the ground. Current user, the RAF, has grounded the type until further notice.

Airbus has been advertising in print media in NZ promoting the type as a better value alternative to the preferred frontrunner, the Boeing C17 as a replacement for RNZAFs elderly C130s.
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Old July 6th, 2015, 09:57 AM   #370
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Bi partisan support between Labour and National
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So this is a done deal for 2016
Great news for the RNZAF.

And once the new Kiwi aircraft arrive, and then if you add in the shortly to be upgraded RAAF assets of 10 x C-27Js Spartans, 12 x C-130 Hercules, 8 x C17 Globemasters and the 7 x KC-30a Air-refueller/transports, a 'combined' RAAF/RNZAF will have a formidable regional capability should they work together again in the future.
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Old July 6th, 2015, 10:31 AM   #371
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Great news for the RNZAF.
Too late..Qatar nabbed 4 of the last 5 last month.. there is only one left, not sure if NZ would only take a single aircraft , sorta makes it had to plan logistics around

http://http://www.defensenews.com/st...c17s/28811491/
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If it acted as an NZ funded and based auxiliary to the RAAF though it would be feasible??
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Old July 7th, 2015, 02:15 AM   #373
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If it acted as an NZ funded and based auxiliary to the RAAF though it would be feasible??
That is not a bad idea. The aircraft could be bought by NZ but flown out of Amberley where it could be hangered and maintained. RNZAF crews could then be rotated through the RAAF as required fleet to keep up their flying hours.

However, I suspect that for political reasons, the RNZAF would not be permitted to station one of their main assets outside of NZ.

Still, on the bright side instead of the RNZAF getting 2 C17s it could for not much more than the same price probably get 4 A400M's instead...
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Old July 8th, 2015, 10:24 AM   #374
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Too late..Qatar nabbed 4 of the last 5 last month.. there is only one left, not sure if NZ would only take a single aircraft , sorta makes it had to plan logistics around

http://http://www.defensenews.com/st...c17s/28811491/

Bugga! I really thought that was a given.

I'm keen to see what plan B is.
Both Labour and National agree on heavy uplift with Antarctica range and return.
Is the French aircraft capable?
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Bugga! I really thought that was a given.

I'm keen to see what plan B is.
Both Labour and National agree on heavy uplift with Antarctica range and return.
Is the French aircraft capable?
The A400M can do the run and fulfill the 2 hour loiter criteria...but is naturally slower. There is still a chance the government can take two C17. Boeing still has one to sell and Qatar, apparently, is open to leasing it's first C17 which is "owned" Qatar Airways.
Of course long term leasing frames from the USAF reserve fleet option is available as well.
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The A400M can do the run and fulfill the 2 hour loiter criteria...but is naturally slower.
But would be severly payload limited,

According to Airbus specs,
http://militaryaircraft-airbusds.com...A400MSpec.aspx

It can do the 7700 km return fine, but its payload would be limited to around 10,000kg, ( basically a 1/4 load)- and in reality not much improvement on the current C130s

Antarctic NZ limit staff to 60kg of baggage, so that would limit an A400 flight to around 75pax, (The 757 trips usually take 100+ pax to the ice)
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But would be severly payload limited,

According to Airbus specs,
http://militaryaircraft-airbusds.com...A400MSpec.aspx

It can do the 7700 km return fine, but its payload would be limited to around 10,000kg, ( basically a 1/4 load)- and in reality not much improvement on the current C130s

Antarctic NZ limit staff to 60kg of baggage, so that would limit an A400 flight to around 75pax, (The 757 trips usually take 100+ pax to the ice)
Yeah, sort of knew there was a catch to why the government seems to shy away from AMs push with the A400M.

The C17 was always the all in one choice, but just too expensive.
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ZB news had an update last night that Airforce and Government has red flagged( basically chosen) the C17 for future uplift capability.

Be good to see - what this means...is it true...how would it work and who would supply

The US airforce had a couple of them buzziing Ohakea recently...landing and take offs etc

My thoughts..its a deal with the US
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ZB news had an update last night that Airforce and Government has red flagged( basically chosen) the C17 for future uplift capability.

Be good to see - what this means...is it true...how would it work and who would supply

The US airforce had a couple of them buzziing Ohakea recently...landing and take offs etc

My thoughts..its a deal with the US
Have you got the time that news item was?, There is nothing on their website, so I might have to dig back and listen to the Audio,

The C17 production line closed yesterday, so there was media stories about that.
But with only one white tail remaining, it would be strange to buy a one off
(unless NZ can acquire one from US stocks)
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The Aussies have had them for about 10 years so maybe there's some way we'll piggyback off their deal. Regardless, you'd imagine NZ would have studied the Australian experience closely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing...ralian_service

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Be good to see - what this means...is it true...how would it work and who would supply

The US airforce had a couple of them buzziing Ohakea recently...landing and take offs etc

My thoughts..its a deal with the US
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