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Old March 25th, 2016, 04:07 AM   #201
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I honestly don't get why they can't find new locations for those events. If you're going to treat the system as a toy an boondoggle instead of a valuable asset, you're gonna get a boondoggle..
Of course the fact that the rails aren't in their own right of way and that the route consists of two loops doesn't help either. With a parallel routing you could've succesfully cut the line in two anywhere where you place some switches. That's the beauty of bidirectional cars.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 01:02 AM   #202
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It is nothing unusual, to be honest. My city also closes some parts of the city tram network because of some events. It is pretty common. especially because of marathons. But... we have about 100 km of rails. There is only one way to prevent closing of the whole network because of events. You need to expand your streetcars. A lot. And I wish you that (and the amount of passengers so big, that you will need streetcars as long as Budapest's CAFs ). So, don't worry.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 03:15 AM   #203
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They need to move the stationary festivals off of the streetcar tracks. There is no reason a few crossing points can't be set up. As far as marathons are concerned, they would have to be rerouted around the streetcar line or the line simply paused for a couple hours. It would be better to be able to use the streetcar to get to the events, but the haters don't like that idea. At least you guys got a truly modern streetcar that looks awesome and hopefully the naysayers will shut up once it opens to the public.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 10:32 PM   #204
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In Vienna central parts of the streetcar network are closing down all the time. It does not only hit the streetcars though but also car traffic along those corridors. The ring road is closed down so often (events, political rallies etc, after all its a capital city ...) they even built a new replacement loop for it so that they can keep operating some of the lines which merely end there.

I think this is simply normal. But of course, if the whole streetcar "network" is only one line than it may look like a bigger issue.
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Old April 15th, 2016, 03:17 AM   #205
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Even if the festivals don't move from their current locations, I don't see a problem with having the streetcars operating during the festivals. There are plenty of cities around the world where streetcars run through pedestrian areas. An example here in the US would be where the Portland Streetcar cuts across the Portland State University campus. People are walking around on the tracks until the streetcar approaches, and then they get out of the way. It works fine.

An important thing to keep in mind is that City Council has given the power to the festival organizers to decide whether to shut it down. They may decide not to shut it down if they see the benefit of having the streetcar running during their festivals.

With that being said, Oktoberfest and Taste of Cincinnati should be moved to The Banks and Smale Riverfront Park. The riverfront was designed to handle big events, and now that the park is complete, the events should be moved there. This would also allow us to keep our primary bus hub (Government Square) open during festivals.
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Old April 15th, 2016, 04:23 AM   #206
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I honestly don't get why they can't find new locations for those events. If you're going to treat the system as a toy an boondoggle instead of a valuable asset, you're gonna get a boondoggle..
Of course the fact that the rails aren't in their own right of way and that the route consists of two loops doesn't help either. With a parallel routing you could've succesfully cut the line in two anywhere where you place some switches. That's the beauty of bidirectional cars.
And yet big European operators, including Vienna, retain unidirectional running, continue buying new unidirectional rolling stock and provide turning loops even on completely new lines.

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In Vienna central parts of the streetcar network are closing down all the time. It does not only hit the streetcars though but also car traffic along those corridors. The ring road is closed down so often (events, political rallies etc, after all its a capital city ...) they even built a new replacement loop for it so that they can keep operating some of the lines which merely end there.
Bear in mind that they still manage fine with unidirectional running. I gather that many previous ones in North America also managed fine with unidirectional running.

As the new Cincinnati network expands, the result of this expansion will be similar to the result of converting and old broad gauge network with twin trolley pole overhead, to standard gauge, single wire pantograph overhead and bidirectional running, rather than a more likely result of having kept and expanded the previous system, even though the new system was only built to compensate for its abandonment.

In a nutshell; The outcome of building a standard gauge bidirectional network with single wire pantograph overhead in the same area as a previous one with a wider gauge, twin trolleypole overhead and unidirectional running is similar to the outcome of converting broad gauge network with twin trolleypole overhead and undirectional running to standard gauge, single wire pantograph overhead and bidirectional running.
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Old April 15th, 2016, 12:53 PM   #207
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Because they already have a whole system in place and having one line with different rolling stock doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Like we've told you in this thread a thousand times. The discussion wasn't even about the rolling stock, it was about festivities, road closures and routing (one-way loops don't make sense regardless if cars are bidirectional or not). Yet you find a way to propagate your unidirectional fetishist nonsense. You are stubborn and annoying.
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Old April 19th, 2016, 08:37 PM   #208
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I don't think unidirectional operations are such a big deal. But maybe I am biased here due to my place of residence. What I think is a really big deal is the streetcar layout that is so common in US cities nowadays with those single track, loop designs that make so many lines rather useless for serious transportation uses.

The Cincinnati line is an in between there. It could be still ok, as the two tracks are fairly close to each other, but a double track would have been much better I think. People don't travel one way usually and having spread out tracks makes the network unwieldy and harder to comprehend as well as less comfortabel to use. This issue becomes less relevant as the central loop may get extended to form a more serious and longer line, beyond the limited downtown core.
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Old May 24th, 2016, 02:33 AM   #209
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Old May 24th, 2016, 08:49 PM   #210
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The opening date for the streetcar has been set for Friday, September 9. The Kansas City Streetcar just opened a few weeks ago and had 57,000 riders its first week. I expect Cincinnati to have similar numbers!
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Old May 29th, 2016, 03:38 PM   #211
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Official from Cincinnati City Hall:

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Friday, Sept. 9: Tentative Date Set For Streetcar Opening
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Streetcar grand opening weekend activities being planned

CINCINNATI – The Cincinnati Streetcar is scheduled to begin operations on Friday, Sept. 9, assuming all necessary safety and security certifications are received this summer.

A dedication ceremony will be held before the streetcar is open to the public

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Old June 13th, 2016, 01:02 AM   #212
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Cincinnati's streetcar made the news again, but not as they would have liked.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news...-job/85708756/
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Old July 16th, 2016, 07:22 PM   #213
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Cincinnati's streetcar made the news again, but not as they would have liked.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news...-job/85708756/
They did a good job of cleaning up the graffiti. I have seen all 5 vehicles testing and can't see any evidence of it. Anyway, good news that there's only been 1 incident in the year since the vehicles started arriving.

The grand opening is officially scheduled for September 9 at 10 a.m.

The streetcars look great testing around the city. It completely changes the atmosphere of Downtown and Over-the-Rhine to just see them going by all the time and hearing their "ding ding" and "doors closing" sounds.



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Cincinnati Streetcar becomes Cincinnati Bell Connector with naming rights sale
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USA: Southwest Ohio Regional Transit Authority announced on August 18 that Advertising Vehicles, its advertising sales contractor for the Cincinnati Streetcar, had signed a naming rights contract for the 5·8 km line that is due to open on September 9.

Local telecoms company Cincinnati Bell will pay $340 000 per year for 10 years under the contract, with proceeds going towards operational expenditure. The service will be renamed the Cincinnati Bell Connector, and the fleet of five CAF Urbos trams will carry Cincinnati Bell graphics on the front, back, top and interior, replacing the current logo and livery. The 18 stops will also carry the company’s branding. The contract does not exclude other advertising being sold inside and outside the vehicles

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One of the worst things that many US PT systems are doing is absolutely destroying user ergonomy of the network by selling naming rights, hence making names long, complicated and hard to remember. "Bell" as name insert is among the best that could happen to this streetcar under these circumstances, at least its short and even kind of makes sense. After all streetcars in Austria are also known as "Bim", which is the sound of the streetcar bell
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One of the worst things that many US PT systems are doing is absolutely destroying user ergonomy of the network by selling naming rights, hence making names long, complicated and hard to remember. "Bell" as name insert is among the best that could happen to this streetcar under these circumstances, at least its short and even kind of makes sense. After all streetcars in Austria are also known as "Bim", which is the sound of the streetcar bell
Just call it the CBC.
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Overflow crowds expected for streetcar opening

Anticipated overflow crowds for the Cincinnati Bell Connector streetcar's opening weekend prompted the Southwest Ohio Regional Transit Authority to offer additional service Downtown[...]
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While the name is less than desirable, it will not be called that by hardly anyone. Users and people in the area will just call it "the streetcar". The line here in Tampa is the TECO Line (local power company), but EVERYONE just calls it the streetcar.
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