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Old November 15th, 2013, 12:02 PM   #61
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By the gods, this is stupidity.

Just complete the line! get it going. If it becomes popular, claim it as being the mayor who opened the popular line, if it fails (yeah right) put the blame squarely on the previous guy who saddled you with a project the feds wouldn't let you stop.

Seriously, what kind of advisers does he have?
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Old November 15th, 2013, 11:41 PM   #62
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By the gods, this is stupidity.


Seriously, what kind of advisers does he have?
Probably Robert Moses, Dick Cheney, and Henry Ford
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Old November 16th, 2013, 12:03 AM   #63
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Add in Joel Kotkin and Wendell Cox as well.
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Old November 16th, 2013, 03:49 AM   #64
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It seems like Cincinnati voters have a history of shooting themselves in the foot with the recent election of John Cranley along with the shot down of light rail proposals.

It's kind of sad really as the city already has a large collection of historic architecture and that along with the unique hillside setting could have easily made the city one of the most desirable for urban living in the US on par with San Francisco perhaps. The streetcar and other improved public transit options could have easily made this a reality, but it seems like the regressive political culture there has no interest in doing so.
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Old November 16th, 2013, 04:02 AM   #65
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it should be finished. this mayor is just an idiot it seems
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It seems like Cincinnati voters have a history of shooting themselves in the foot with the recent election of John Cranley along with the shot down of light rail proposals.

It's kind of sad really as the city already has a large collection of historic architecture and that along with the unique hillside setting could have easily made the city one of the most desirable for urban living in the US on par with San Francisco perhaps. The streetcar and other improved public transit options could have easily made this a reality, but it seems like the regressive political culture there has no interest in doing so.
Hit the nail right on the head. The streetcar would run right by here:

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Hey, at least they are lobbying against it
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Old November 17th, 2013, 08:24 PM   #68
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It seems like Cincinnati voters have a history of shooting themselves in the foot with the recent election of John Cranley along with the shot down of light rail proposals.

It's kind of sad really as the city already has a large collection of historic architecture and that along with the unique hillside setting could have easily made the city one of the most desirable for urban living in the US on par with San Francisco perhaps. The streetcar and other improved public transit options could have easily made this a reality, but it seems like the regressive political culture there has no interest in doing so.
If I remember, Cincinnati is one of the most conservative cities in the country, so it's not too surprising that there is strong opposition to mass transit. It doesn't help that Ohio is a conservative leaning state and they spend very little money on transit.
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The conservatives are in the suburbs. His Speakership's district does not include the city. Anyway, the most conservative state (Utah) has pretty decent transit.
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Now instead of the streetcar the mayor-elect wants a "trolley bus" which in Dayton OH means a trolleybus/Oberleitungsbus but in Cincinnati English it means this:



source: http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs...1190009&Ref=AR
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Now that's just lousy, instead of a streetcar, just using those crappy buses
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Old November 20th, 2013, 05:40 AM   #72
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I've gotta say, Rob ford's got some competition now
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Oh lord.... I had the joy of riding those things. The ride is just awful. Very bumpy, uncomfortable and loud. They're a joke, and good for shuttling geriatric tourists around. They are poor substitute for a streetcar line.
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The mayor will be replacing them with vehicles that are likely to be more comfortable than the "trolley-style" bus, fit more people and cost a lot less.

Moderator, feel free to merge this thread with the School bus thread.
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Moderator, feel free to merge this thread with the School bus thread.
Not yet, not yet
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Old November 21st, 2013, 01:11 AM   #76
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I found this comment on an article about that absolutely pitiful excuse of a replacement to be interesting, from a Joseph Edwards

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This a prime example of why Cincinnati will never be a "real" city. This why we cannot attract young professionals and further economic development and growth in our city. Our urban core is being destroyed by our newspaper - which is dying - as a result too - very ironic. Our newspaper is championing a idea about a trackless trolley from two guys in Anderson Township. Real investment takes money - not 16 buses - from the suburbs.

In my opinion, the political machine, suburbs, Greater Cincinnati, does not completely understand the goal of public transit / rail transportation. We are insulated, we live in fear. It won't be until gas is over $5 will people out in Butler County / Clermont County be clamoring for better access to the central city. By that time, it will be too late, too expensive. We have voted for the streetcar twice. Despite that undeniable fact, Mr. Cranley is planning to halt construction and rip up the progress and set us back 50 years. For what, you ask? To be elected to Congress in the 2nd district - where he currently lives - Mt Lookout / Hyde Park. Unfortunately, our city representation has failed us. The newly elected council will not support the streetcar despite the economics of it. Our only hope is that our outgoing city hall - Mark Mallory - will put in place severe penalties for the city for canceling the contract. Also, we have to use extensive litigation just like the opposition has done to most progressive initiatives the city has proposed over the 8 years with Mallory. Will it work? It is our only chance to fight for the future of our city.
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Paying more not to finish the streetcar line than for finishing it and then on top of that ordering these crappy tram substititons that do not only look like some disneyland wouldbe tram but also ride accordingly is ... a joke.
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Moderator, feel free to merge this thread with the School bus thread.
You don't merge two unrelated threads together. The streetcar system is still under construction.

But no, the Mayor wants those fake Trolley replica buses. They are awful. If Cincinnati makes the bad decision to go with cheap buses, I hope they at least pick the Gillig Replica Trolleys. They look awful, but the ride might be more comfortable.

I wouldn't expect development along these routes. Who wants to ride those cheap buses?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourist_trolley
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The funny thing is, we already have a route that uses those stupid trolley buses. It goes from downtown over the river to Covington and Newport. The ridership is extremely low and the operating costs are just as much, possibly higher, than the streetcar will be.

This whole situation just disgusts me.
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That's very strange. Getting two states to agree on anything is nearly impossible these days. There must have been some greasing the wheels (no pun intended) to get the blue-collar bluegrass folks across the river "onboard" (in a figurative sense, since no one is actually riding these).
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