Ciudad [mix]

[NaglatagawK0]

some dont believe and some believe that this would cause traffic im just happy that the city did not allow such project as it would create a head ache for us working in the area once the traffic gets worst. But im also hopping that the city could source our funds for the road widdenings not just for this area but the entire city so it could sustain the economic progress that it is now enjoying. Road widening and infrastruture projects should come first before anything else.

[dive-cebu]

i have one proposition for Ciudad so cityhall might reconsider this project. What i'd like to cite as an example is the flyover from EDSA going to the Rockwell complex. If only the Provincial Gov't will allocate funds for a flyover going to the Ciudad complex from Archbishop Reyes, I think this is one will greatly help ease out traffic. what you think guys?

[Jimbu]

Definitely, this will help improve traffic, the same with roundabouts, U-turns,jeepney pocket lanes. But I don’t think the provincial government will agree to spend for a flyover just for Ciudad. Their constituents also need road infrastructures. Better if the developer agrees to spend for it.

The national government will be earning millions of value added, business and income taxes from this project so for me it’s better to source funds from congress thru Cong. Del Mar for the improvement of Ciudad part of the road only (first phase of road improvement), by widening into six lanes, with center island, U-turns or roundabout like a smaller version of Fuente Osmeña (sa senate nga pang insert ra nila P200 million sa national budget) . They can request for this once traffic at Ciudad coud justify road improvement. The thing I don’t like is that City Hall imposed a moratorium but until now they are not talking about the ways to improve the road. No budget? How could they source funds if there's no feasibility study or proposals? This is their job. Cebu City must not stop the economic growth and development of Ban-Tal area by imposing a moratorium. If they want to develop SRP, then that’s good but not at the expense of Banilad and Talamban, kay daghan pa kayo squatters diha.

[Henz]

i guess.. mas maayo na ila e explore all areas of improving the traffic in the area if both LGU's are really sincere in finding the solutions. at least @ dive cebu and @ jimbu had suggested good ideas to start with...
however, looks like, there is a positive developments which would transpire in the next few months. its exciting to see both LGU's work together for the common good.

[NaglatagawK0]

Originally Posted by dive-cebu

i have one proposition for Ciudad so cityhall might reconsider this project. What i'd like to cite as an example is the flyover from EDSA going to the Rockwell complex. If only the Provincial Gov't will allocate funds for a flyover going to the Ciudad complex from Archbishop Reyes, I think this is one will greatly help ease out traffic. what you think guys?

i think this is a good idea bai. An infrastructure project funded by the provincial govenrment would greatly help the cash strap city hall. I think with proper planning and funding city hall might consider it.

[NaglatagawK0]

Originally Posted by Jimbu

Definitely, this will help improve traffic, the same with roundabouts, U-turns,jeepney pocket lanes. But I don’t think the provincial government will agree to spend for a flyover just for Ciudad. Their constituents also need road infrastructures. Better if the developer agrees to spend for it.

The national government will be earning millions of value added, business and income taxes from this project so for me it’s better to source funds from congress thru Cong. Del Mar for the improvement of Ciudad part of the road only (first phase of road improvement), by widening into six lanes, with center island, U-turns or roundabout like a smaller version of Fuente Osmeña (sa senate nga pang insert ra nila P200 million sa national budget) . They can request for this once traffic at Ciudad coud justify road improvement. The thing I don’t like is that City Hall imposed a moratorium but until now they are not talking about the ways to improve the road. No budget? How could they source funds if there's no feasibility study or proposals? This is their job. Cebu City must not stop the economic growth and development of Ban-Tal area by imposing a moratorium. If they want to develop SRP, then that’s good but not at the expense of Banilad and Talamban, kay daghan pa kayo squatters diha.

again be realistic it is easy to say source funds, put up a flyover and have a road widening on those areas but the the truth is it is easier said than done. yes it is the cities job to put up infrastructure projects but it is also their job to see to it that fundings are well distributed not only to the cities infrastructure but also other basic services that needs the cities attention. Widening the streets alone cannot solve the traffic problems this is just one part of the solution. It would need a BRT, an MRT and other infrastructure projects to improve the cities capability to cater its growth. Let us just be patient and trust our city officials. We are only looking at the small picture in here while CH have a bigger picture to look at.

[Jimbu]

Originally Posted by NaglatagawK0

again be realistic it is easy to say source funds, put up a flyover and have a road widening on those areas but the the truth is it is easier said than done. yes it is the cities job to put up infrastructure projects but it is also their job to see to it that fundings are well distributed not only to the cities infrastructure but also other basic services that needs the cities attention. Widening the streets alone cannot solve the traffic problems this is just one part of the solution. It would need a BRT, an MRT and other infrastructure projects to improve the cities capability to cater its growth. Let us just be patient and trust our city officials. We are only looking at the small picture in here while CH have a bigger picture to look at.

you mean cebu city will also ask funding from congress for its basic services?

widening the streets alone cannot solve the traffic problems? Really? if that's the case so no way the moratorium can be lifted.
right, the small picture is traffic. the bigger picture is the land swap deal.

[NaglatagawK0]

Originally Posted by Jimbu

you mean cebu city will also ask funding from congress for its basic services?

widening the streets alone cannot solve the traffic problems? Really? if that's the case so no way the moratorium can be lifted.
right, the small picture is traffic. the bigger picture is the land swap deal.

am i stating here that cebu city will also ask funding from the congress for its basic services? did i? is it being stupid or just doesn't know how to read right? What i mean is that the cities budget does not entail alone on the infrastructure projects but also the basic services of the city of cebu. yes widening of the streets does not solve the traffic problems that the city is facing. If you try to look at other great cities they do not only have the big roads and fly overs. They also have the a mass transportation system and other infrastructures to sustain the ecomic growth of their respective cities. The bigger picture is you are so pre occupied with the land swap deal and was too blind to see that their is indeed a problem. If the city do not the have funding yet to widen the roads and put up infrastructure projects on that area then better put on hold such project like ciudad rather than making the same mistake that our past leaders have done. Cebu would soon loose its luster if our leaders would continue to allow this projects to rise without addressing first the cities infrastructure.

[Jimbu]

Originally Posted by NaglatagawK0

am i stating here that cebu city will also ask funding from the congress for its basic services? did i? is it being stupid or just doesn't know how to read right? What i mean is that the cities budget does not entail alone on the infrastructure projects but also the basic services of the city of cebu.

No. It's just a clarification. I am not stupid bai. Don’t be harsh naman just because I can’t agree with you. I did not say in my previous post (post# 123) that Cebu City will fund for the road widening. I said: the national government will be earning millions of value added, business and income taxes from this project so for me it’s better to source funds from congress thru Cong. Del Mar. (read again post# 123). Now, if Cebu City will not spend for road widening then why are you mixing this up with cebu city “basic services” budget? When i said 'this is their job" I mean it's their job to source funds from congress/other sources and not from city's budget as they have done before.

yes widening of the streets does not solve the traffic problems that the city is facing. If you try to look at other great cities they do not only have the big roads and fly overs. They also have the a mass transportation system and other infrastructures to sustain the ecomic growth of their respective cities.

If you think that widening of Gov. Cuenco (with wide center islands, U-turns and roundabouts like Fuente) "does not solve the traffic problems that the city is facing" then when can we expect the moratorium lifted? After the mass transportation system? Going to my place of work there is no mass transport system. I am driving everyday in a wide road with roundabouts like that at Fuente Osmeña. The vehicle count passing this road is more than double that of Gov. Cuenco, but I don't encounter heavy traffic because of strict traffic enforcement and bus stops only at designated area. While at Gov. Cuenco jeepneys stop wherever they want (no jeepney pocket lanes).

The bigger picture is you are so pre occupied with the land swap deal and was too blind to see that their is indeed a problem. If the city do not the have funding yet to widen the roads and put up infrastructure projects on that area then better put on hold such project like ciudad rather than making the same mistake that our past leaders have done. Cebu would soon loose its luster if our leaders would continue to allow this projects to rise without addressing first the cities infrastructure.

Even Davide thinks the land swap deal with capitol is the bigger picture:

“If it were up to me, my personal position on this is that I want a peaceful resolution on the controversy on 93-1 occupants, for them to have security of tenure and their occupancy of the lots. If we can resolve this issue, then all the other peripheral issue could also be resolved... 93-1 is very important to us,” Davide said.

There is indeed a problem, that's the point of my post# 123.
If city hall officials don't want malls in the area, then tell the investors that the city no longer allow malls in that area. What if, instead of Ciudad Mall the investor will build a 40-storey condo 15 meters away from road side. The investor can't also build it because of moratorium, right? It's the moratorium that I can't agree here because they are imposing it but doing nothing about it until now.

[Jarenz]

Originally Posted by Jimbu

Cebu provincial gov’t to pursue stalled ‘Ciudad’ development
Business World Online
Posted on 08:58 PM, June 09, 2010

CEBU CITY -- The Cebu provincial government is keen on implementing a commercial development project that has been stalled because of the ongoing conflict between Cebu Governor Gwendolyn F. Garcia and Cebu City Mayor Tomas R. Osmeña.

Rory Jon Sepulveda, Capitol consultant on information and revenue generation, said the governor will meet with investors next month to discuss the proposed Ciudad project.

The Fifth Avenue Property Development Corp., a consortium of Singapore- and Hong Kong-based businessmen with Filipino counterparts, wanted to invest P1.2 billion on the development of a 2.8-hectare provincial government-owned property into a commercial complex with areas for shopping, entertainment, and dining.

Ciudad will also have museum that will showcase Cebu’s cultural heritage.

Fifth Avenue executives held groundbreaking ceremonies for the project in 2006, but Mr. Osmeña blocked the project to retaliate against the governor by refusing to issue a locational clearance for the project and declaring a moratorium on development in the area.

The province-owned property is located in Banilad, which is under the jurisdiction of the city government.

With Mr. Osmeña leaving City Hall on June 30 to serve as congressman representing Cebu City’s south district, Mr. Sepulveda said provincial government officials are hopeful the project will now push through.

“I am an incurable optimist. We have to see the bright side of things.

We are scheduled to meet with the investors in July,” Mr. Sepulveda said in an interview.

Fifth Avenue had proposed to undertake the project under a build-operate-transfer scheme. At least three groups have showed interest in constructing a business hotel to complement the project.

Construction of Ciudad would have started in January 2007. But work has been frozen since the city government refused to issue a permit in February 2007.

After his term as mayor expires on June 30, Mr. Osmeña will take over as congressman of Cebu City’s second district. Banilad will not be under his jurisdiction as this falls under the north district.

The incoming Cebu city mayor is Vice-Mayor Michael Rama, an Osmeña ally but has expressed openness to cooperation with the provincial government. -- Antonio Antogop, Jr.
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[slimer]

ug ni Greg Sanchez pa, tanang isulti anang Sepulveda sayop! I mean I liked this project, but I think di sila ka-basta basta padayon ani kay in the first place, it was Mike who caused the feud between Tomas and Gwendolyn!

[Jarenz]

Provincial gov’t to push Ciudad project

Cebu Daily News
First Posted 06:24:00 05/19/2010
Filed Under: Local authorities


THE provincial government will hold talks with officials of the consortium which proposed to build the long-delayed Ciudad project which was stopped by the Cebu City Hall.

The province will also resume dialog with residents living at the 93-1 lots.

Rory Sepulveda, spokesperson of Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia, said he would call for a meeting with the Fifth Avenue Consortium, the proponent of the Ciudad project which will be constructed in barangay Banilad, Cebu City.

When the new City Hall administration assumes in July, Capitol will also resume talks with the 93-1 residents which Sepulveda said was stopped during the campaign season so it would not be used as an election issue.

Sepulveda said that one of the issues to be discussed with Fifth Avenue is the status of its locational clearance “and what they intend to do without it.”

“Then we will take it from there,” said Sepulveda, a lawyer and Capitol consultant on information and revenue generation.

When asked if they also intend to meet with existing or new City Hall officials, Sepulveda replied: “Nagmeet naman mi ana pero dili lang namo i-telegraph ang among moves especially karon nga inyu ning gisulti. I know 90 percent of me is saying that somebody is going to shoot this down again.”

But when asked for clarification about the meeting during the press conference, Sepulveda added: “Kung muabot lagi na nga panahon (for the meeting), I will not telegraph it because it is not music to the ears of this guy who controls the shots. Malain lang. We do not want to politicize this project as much as one would like it to be done.”

On the other hand, the end of the election period would also signal the resumption of dialogs with the province and that of the city residents who occupy them.

Sepulveda said that lot swapping is the least option.

“We are of still in the position that a solution can still be achieved and take only into consideration the interest of the province as being the owner of the lot and the interest of the residents living in these lots,” said Sepulveda, leaving out the City Hall who has been at odds with the Capitol amid the spat between Garcia and Mayor Tomas Osmeña.

“The lot swapping is one possible solution but we do not limit it there because the land swapping does not solve anything but transfer the problem from one local government unit to another,” he added./REPORTER DALE G. ISRAEL

[-sharkleman125-]

It should have been named as "The Province" something cause
Ciudad is in the boundary of Cebu and since its a project of the Cebu Province hehe

Or basin maparehas ni siya sa Balili Controversy...

[slimer]

Provincia?

[NaglatagawK0]

as of now im against this project kay mo traffic na jud pag ayo dha dapit sa IT park but im in favor of its implementation after we have the BRT inplace. With BRT we can now get away with the heavy traffic that will be generated by this project.

[BAKLANGCEBU]

Originally Posted by Jarenz

Provincial gov’t to push Ciudad project

Cebu Daily News
First Posted 06:24:00 05/19/2010
Filed Under: Local authorities


THE provincial government will hold talks with officials of the consortium which proposed to build the long-delayed Ciudad project which was stopped by the Cebu City Hall.

The province will also resume dialog with residents living at the 93-1 lots.

Rory Sepulveda, spokesperson of Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia, said he would call for a meeting with the Fifth Avenue Consortium, the proponent of the Ciudad project which will be constructed in barangay Banilad, Cebu City.

When the new City Hall administration assumes in July, Capitol will also resume talks with the 93-1 residents which Sepulveda said was stopped during the campaign season so it would not be used as an election issue.

Sepulveda said that one of the issues to be discussed with Fifth Avenue is the status of its locational clearance “and what they intend to do without it.”

“Then we will take it from there,” said Sepulveda, a lawyer and Capitol consultant on information and revenue generation.

When asked if they also intend to meet with existing or new City Hall officials, Sepulveda replied: “Nagmeet naman mi ana pero dili lang namo i-telegraph ang among moves especially karon nga inyu ning gisulti. I know 90 percent of me is saying that somebody is going to shoot this down again.”

But when asked for clarification about the meeting during the press conference, Sepulveda added: “Kung muabot lagi na nga panahon (for the meeting), I will not telegraph it because it is not music to the ears of this guy who controls the shots. Malain lang. We do not want to politicize this project as much as one would like it to be done.”

On the other hand, the end of the election period would also signal the resumption of dialogs with the province and that of the city residents who occupy them.

Sepulveda said that lot swapping is the least option.

“We are of still in the position that a solution can still be achieved and take only into consideration the interest of the province as being the owner of the lot and the interest of the residents living in these lots,” said Sepulveda, leaving out the City Hall who has been at odds with the Capitol amid the spat between Garcia and Mayor Tomas Osmeña.

“The lot swapping is one possible solution but we do not limit it there because the land swapping does not solve anything but transfer the problem from one local government unit to another,” he added./REPORTER DALE G. ISRAEL

hope na ila sab ma change ang concept a mall, i dont like open air mall .just like the gaisano counctry mall, grabe ka init kung magshopping ka. ok ang ila concept pero dapat i close siya mura ba ug sa dubai mall nga themed mall.

[CebuMagigger]

were back with ciudad since theres rumor theyr planning to continue this project i hope it pushes through *fingers crossed thanks to sleepwalker

[Sleepwalker]

Thanks to this news bai: Ciudad gets brgy clearance

Meeting

Cebu City Administrator Jose Marie Poblete and City Legal Office Chief Joseph Bernaldez were at the Capitol yesterday afternoon for a meeting with Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia and Capitol lawyers on various issues, including the Ciudad project.

City Hall and Capitol officials came out smiling from the meeting.

[slerz]

Uy nabanhaw!... Kewl...

[CebuMagigger]

THREAD REVIVED nabanhaw