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Old January 15th, 2008, 12:31 PM   #21
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Old January 15th, 2008, 12:33 PM   #22
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That's quite correct, there are a lot of other countries where neighborhoods aren't wealthy too but also not livable (piles of trash, abonded houses, gangs, very high crime). In Holland most of these neighborhoods have crime too, but way less then in other countries. There are no no-go area's, streetgangs don't shoot you when you tresspass 'their' street.
Mmm i once parked my car in "Kamperpoort", a social housing neighborhood, but i was told afterwards i was lucky no bricks were throwed at my car while it was parked, because the people there think it's their turf.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 12:57 PM   #23
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The kamperpoort (and just like indische buurt/zeeheldenbuurt and parts of assendorp, not shown in series) is just like a trailerpark but then in houses. A lot of people who choose not to work, or it's chosen for them, to hang around the house and drink beers on white plastic chairs in front of their house, claiming their social income. Most of them are actually not bad people, i knew quite a few people there, but they aren't educated, and because the government thinks it easy to keep them in place by giving them money, they won't get educated. This is also a very typical 'white' problem, a vicious circle that is being passed on to their kids. Its their fault, but also the fault of the government. Kamperpoort also had a big problem whit junkies and drug dealers, but because it all happened in this little neighborhood, seller and buyer all lived in there , it whas covered for quite some time. Tearing down the old houses is a good thing, but where to go and what to do with the people who suddenly loose all they have?? If you give them a new house, wich costs more money, and is in a neighborhood where people work all day and sleep at night, and they know nobody, the problem only get's bigger.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 02:10 PM   #24
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Gerenbroek, southside. Middel class income. It's quite nice living, apart from the big problem of bored youth doing drugs and drinking, hanging around schoolyards and tunnels. Lot of vandalism. A few days ago an article in the newpaper wrote about it. on 33.000 inh.(not only geren, whole southside) there are 4100 people between the age of 12-20. 15 % has been arrested for minor things like vandalism, little fights or shoplifting. (615 people). They got an alternative for jail, cleaning the streets and that sort of things(known as HALT) 3 % has been described as real criminals. Drinking hard liqor and using cocaine, dealing drugs, no school or work, and being loverboys (could describe that as a pimp). That's 123 people. So that's quite a serious problem, but because of the descent looking streets it a hidden problem. However, police and the city say southside is slowly getting worse. Some people say it is because many people from the neighborhoods that's being destroyed (shown in earlier pictures, such as holtenbroek) move to south because that's cheaper living than a new house in the neighborhood they used to live.

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Old August 3rd, 2008, 08:43 PM   #25
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Typical! This could easily be ANY town/city in the Netherlands...
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Old August 4th, 2008, 06:48 PM   #26
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and the rest Europe too
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Old August 5th, 2008, 03:52 AM   #27
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It's not as preety as i was told lol
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Old August 5th, 2008, 06:06 AM   #28
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These seem to me to be self taken pics, so I will move to Urban Showcase. If they are not please pm me.
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Old August 5th, 2008, 12:03 PM   #29
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Now I understand why all those Dutchies go camping in the summer. The caravan is actually bigger than their homes!
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Old August 5th, 2008, 01:22 PM   #30
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For me it looks typical Dutch because of the fact that it all looks the same. There is so little variation. As a Belgian it´s quite amazing to see how structured, planned and straight everything is in The Netherlands and how unstructured everything is in Belgium.
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Old August 5th, 2008, 01:51 PM   #31
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THIS IS WHAT I ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE OF ANY COUNTRY !

I'm really really tired of " postcard" shots of cities and countries, showing only popular landmarks etc ; but pics like in this thread are the ones with the highest quality- they really depict the real situation on the ground of a country !

What is the average size of an apartment for single in Netherlands ? With such a huge pop density ( 17 mil living in 42,000 sq km landmass ).. the space should be somethin in between average apt size in Japan ( small ) and Canada ( huge ) ?
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Old August 6th, 2008, 11:08 PM   #32
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In the U.S. we seem to be tearing down alot of high-rise housing estates due to social problems and replacing them with townhouse-style housing similar to what you see in these pics. Just out of curiousity, why is the Dutch government tearing alot of these down? Is it just because they're old, or they've decided the layout is not good for social reasons? And what style of housing do you think will they be replaced with?

Nice pics, btw, very interesting!
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Old August 7th, 2008, 01:29 PM   #33
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It looks like the UK with more diagonal lines and less litter.
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Old August 7th, 2008, 03:33 PM   #34
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Old August 7th, 2008, 10:03 PM   #35
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Some of these places (especially on the first page) are eerily similar of Canadian post-war development.
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Old August 8th, 2008, 07:13 PM   #36
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This neighborhood just outside the city center will probably be totally gone in 5 to 10 years.

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Old August 13th, 2008, 12:20 AM   #37
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Zwolle, Holtenbroek

Here are some examples of new developments in Holtenbroek (Zwolle-North) where quite a lot of blocks were torn down.
I assume posting these as clickable thumbnails is allright.

1. Apartment building Aida, Mozartlaan
2. Family houses, a few hundred meters away. Notice the similarities in building materials and colors applied.
3. Family houses, another few hundred meters further. Again, notice the similarities.



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Old August 13th, 2008, 01:04 AM   #38
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Here a typical Overvecht (Utrecht) 10 storey building. Its not spectaculair cause its not that high, but still impressive cause they are with many. This part of Utrecht was build between the sixties and seventies.

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Old August 13th, 2008, 06:06 AM   #39
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THIS IS WHAT I ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE OF ANY COUNTRY !

I'm really really tired of " postcard" shots of cities and countries, showing only popular landmarks etc ; but pics like in this thread are the ones with the highest quality- they really depict the real situation on the ground of a country !

What is the average size of an apartment for single in Netherlands ? With such a huge pop density ( 17 mil living in 42,000 sq km landmass ).. the space should be somethin in between average apt size in Japan ( small ) and Canada ( huge ) ?
Agree, but many people from the developing world don't like to show their average or below average neighbourhoods.
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Old January 29th, 2009, 03:47 AM   #40
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I invite you all to show them here
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