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Old April 8th, 2008, 03:19 AM   #301
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This is a NEW design for 80 South Street, but it's from a different firm.
The developer who owns the plot still wants to build the first 80 South Street. Doesn't seem like the new one is going anyone:

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Wow. i would much rather the original design. This one, from the render, looks so bland and boring. the other one is so eyecatching and unique
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Old April 8th, 2008, 04:03 AM   #302
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Eh... I'll wait to see other renderings of that one before passing final judgment, but yeah that's pretty bland.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 08:30 PM   #303
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indeed, the old design was much better....but the new is still better than no tower
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Old April 8th, 2008, 09:05 PM   #304
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^ no it really isn't if they build that piece of crap in my city I'll go off. This isn't just any normal city. In new york skyscrapers are works of art. This new building isn't art it's trash. If u like just any building or tower there, then I'm sure you have no problem with them keeping the old brick building that there right now.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 10:26 PM   #305
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for sure the first design is something special, and definitely new for NYC....but also this tower would fit in the skyline i think
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Old April 9th, 2008, 05:36 AM   #306
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indeed, the old design was much better....but the new is still better than no tower
The new building that was proposed by people that dont even own the site.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 08:57 AM   #307
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I'm glad that more and more people have warmed to the 80SS design. W/ this new firm's design, I think people realize how great it would be to have something really distinctive on that land and also it's good to see 80SS still fighting its way towards getting approved, I like that about this project, if it does, it'll be one of the things that I think about when I see it. It could also set a new precedent so we see more new distinctive architecture DT along w/ the WTC development.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 05:15 PM   #308
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I wonder... why exactly did this other firm release only a night rendering?
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Old April 9th, 2008, 07:46 PM   #309
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probably because it looks worse during the day.
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Old April 10th, 2008, 05:38 AM   #310
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HAHA the 'new rendering' will look like a FRIGGIN CHIMNEY in the day, that is the reason for the night rendering. The original design is just way so much better!!!!!
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Old April 10th, 2008, 07:56 AM   #311
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What the H were they thinking? This is the worst design i ever seen, i dont like it, the last one was better, anyway, at least is better than nothing.
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Old April 10th, 2008, 07:58 AM   #312
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I wonder if they sat in a room and thought "How can we make this building boring as sin?"
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Old April 10th, 2008, 09:28 AM   #313
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Off course we all want the original design, but this new one may be a bit more feasible from a financial point of view.
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Old April 10th, 2008, 10:12 AM   #314
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what are you talking about this so called new design is by know means replace the old one. Unless you know something I don't know, I haven't heard anything about a design change. This design was made by a outside sources. If no one has any news about that ugly building, I suggest we get back to talking about the real one. In other words back to topic.
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Old April 10th, 2008, 06:29 PM   #315
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Technically we are on topic because this is a proposal for the same spot (whether or not it's going to be a serious bid we won't know for sure).
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Hmmmm no I don't think it is. I think it just wishfull thinking on the part of this other firm. If I make pictures and post them for the sit you'd probley think thats alright too. You can't design a building for a plot of land, One that you don't own, and two that you didn't win. I haven't seen any real news about this other building anywhere, other then here and to tell you the truth that doesn't hold much weight with me.
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VIEW FULL ARTICLE : http://www.nypost.com/seven/04162008...own_106788.htm

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CALATRAVA DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL PROJECT DEAD

April 16, 2008 -- ANOTHER proposed Santiago Calatrava tower is not just getting its wings clipped; it's biting the dust.

This project was eagerly awaited for a small site at 80 South St. by the East River and featured townhomes in the sky.

The design called for an 835-foot tall tower with a dozen "Sky Cube" townhouses alternating around a central core so that one's roof would become the outdoor garden for the cube above and to the side. An antenna was to bring the entire structure to 1,000 feet. Its base was being pitched to cultural, retail and office users.

The architecturally significant tower was introduced to much critical acclaim and a price tag of around $35 million per multi-story residence.

"The price reflects both design and quality," developer Frank Sciame told us at the time, "and it will be the most expensive residential tower in the city."

Back at the end of 2005, and throughout 2006 and 2007, the potential prices inspired much awe - and apparently not a lot of takers.

Oddly, while the site is now on the market and expected to fetch around $115 million, equating to $400 per buildable foot, in the last year, the luxury market has racked up many sales higher than that benchmark, albeit in more traditional locations, such as around Central Park.


The Power Trio of Jimmy "King" Kung, David Noonan and Jennifer Schwartzman have just been hired by the investor group that includes Sciame and Cord Meyer Development to market the 8,128-foot parcel at South and Fletcher streets that holds up to 288,670 feet of development with no height restriction. While all of it can be developed as commercial or hotel space, as much as 144,318 feet can be residential.

"It's an exciting vision that got worldwide attention," said Noonan. "The buyer can build their own vision."

It appears at least one other developer has already scoped this out. Cook + Fox architects created and posted renderings of a "competition submission" on their Web site that was described as a "constructible solution for a small urban site."

The designs include an "80" on the tower's entrance and it's located in the right spot on the waterfront. A city sleuth discovered the drawings and reposted them on Wired New York.

A spokeswoman for Cook + Fox, Alice Hartley told us the renderings were created for a private developer who requested proposals from five firms about six months ago and has declined to be identified. Apparently, however, it is neither Sciame nor Cord Meyer.
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so the original plan is now dead
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Old April 16th, 2008, 09:54 PM   #319
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Not exctly, and like I said, even if it is, 80 South Street is not dead and a tall skyscraper will be built there.

The current proposed buildings looks a little taller and will have a bigger impact on the skyline. Just have to wait to see what will really happen.
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Old April 16th, 2008, 10:23 PM   #320
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hope the new design will also very good....though i'll ever miss the original
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