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Old March 3rd, 2015, 10:02 PM   #701
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True!

It is estimated the retail portion of Nordstrom can be up to 285k sf, therefore minus that from the 1.2 msf and you're left with aprox 915k sf for the tower itself.
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Maybe this is the site which Yimby teased as being taller than Nordstrom!
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Old March 4th, 2015, 03:42 AM   #703
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Wait, it's rumored this could be higher than Nordstrom!? Where? That's amazing!

I've always thought this would be the perfect place for a 450+ meter building in NY and now it might be reality.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 02:05 AM   #704
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This could be a fantastic tower, but I am going to miss the spiraling Vinoly design.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 06:15 AM   #705
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Very interesting news regarding 80 South Street's apparent dramatic height bump.... with the Shvo project also going to be very tall definitely with WTC3 rising and the WTC2 on the horizon going up and the 800-900 ft residential towers going up nearby going to be a remarkable time in the Lower Manhattan skyline soaring to grand new heights!
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Old March 9th, 2015, 01:56 PM   #706
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Seeing all this happening in LM and the potential of more demos for taller towers make me really think that itīs about time to admit that the whole WTC complex was planned with too less ambition and height. It will be dwarfed upon itīs completion by everything going up around, which makes me sad.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 06:25 PM   #707
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it's nearing 15 years since the attacks. The city's and developers' failures to get the ball rolling are to blame.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 06:31 PM   #708
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I think his point is more that, even if they were going to take 20 years to get off the ground, taller and more ambitious towers (like the megatall twins proposal) would still be the focal point of Lower Manhattan, even after a number of 1000-1400 footers went up around the WTC.
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Old March 9th, 2015, 06:47 PM   #709
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The WTC would have lost its dominance as a focal point eventually. Nobody would have imagined so much development activity downtown following 9/11. The Libeskind's ultimate plan was appropriate in its scale for 2005. It just took them too long to build it and therefore taller towers are going to detract from its dominance earlier than they should have. Not that it's a bad thing.
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True!

It is estimated the retail portion of Nordstrom can be up to 285k sf, therefore minus that from the 1.2 msf and you're left with aprox 915k sf for the tower itself.
Nirdstrom also will have a large hotel, and the restaurants, kitchens, and public areas also consume much more Sf than regular condos do
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Old March 10th, 2015, 12:07 AM   #711
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I think his point is more that, even if they were going to take 20 years to get off the ground, taller and more ambitious towers (like the megatall twins proposal) would still be the focal point of Lower Manhattan, even after a number of 1000-1400 footers went up around the WTC.
Wait, there are megatall twins proposed for Downtown? I haven't been on the forum for two and a half months so I'm quite out of the loop. Could you point me out where I can learn more about those twins?
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Oh, I'm just referring to the earliest days of planning the replacement for the original WTC, when there were calls to build megatall versions of the Twins. I think the closest anything of the sort came to fruition was Norman Foster's entry in the design competition, which was a finalist:



Not sure exactly how tall those would have been, but close to 2000 ft. if I recall.

Don't want to derail things much further, but it's pretty clear that that design, or something similarly huge, would be dominant in Lower Manhattan for decades to come, even in the face of the potentially very tall 80 South and 125 Greenwich towers.
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Oh, thanks for the clarification. You got me overexcited there for a moment

Btw, those Twin Towers you posted were supposed to have been 538 meters or 1 765 feet tall according to SSP
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Didn't this site just go through ULURP (same city planning process as Torre Verre requesting a zoning amendment)? If so, don't expect a height adjustment.

I love the idea of a super tall tower here though...
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Didn't this site just go through ULURP (same city planning process as Torre Verre requesting a zoning amendment)? If so, don't expect a height adjustment.

I love the idea of a super tall tower here though...
The proposal has always been for something 300+ meters, at least for the past couple years. Unless you mean they would shorten it.

What's all of this talk about a new tallest on the site though? Who started that rumor?
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Old March 10th, 2015, 05:27 AM   #716
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The proposal has always been for something 300+ meters, at least for the past couple years. Unless you mean they would shorten it.

What's all of this talk about a new tallest on the site though? Who started that rumor?
I'm talking about THIS article:

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Howard Hughes Corp. sets sights on 80 South Street

The Howard Hughes Corporation has entered contract for land just south of its planned 50-story tower at South Street Seaport’s Pier 17. The 8,128-square-foot parcel at 80 South Street has already received the go-ahead from the City Planning Commission to be transformed into a 300,000-square-foot mixed-use tower...
If the property already received City Planning Commission approval, then it has gone through ULURP - which means the height has been capped at what was submitted through that application, which I believe was just over 1,000 feet per Morali's proposal. This is the same process that Torre Verre went through. If a project is 'as-of-right' under zoning, then City Planning Commission approval isn't required (like 432 Park, Steinway, Nordstrom Towers).

What could allow the height to change is if their recent purchases of adjacent properties has increased the available FAR to increase the building height. But any changes to what have been approved may require review / approval from the City Planning Commission.
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^True, but didn't they already buy 300k sf of extra air rights or something of the sort?

I might be thinking of a different project, since there are too many to keep track of, but didn't Shop hint they were building a supertall here?

It would be more than a bummer if this ended up just another mid rise.
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Plans for a Seaport Megatower?
http://tribecacitizen.com/2015/03/23...ort-megatower/

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In a letter to shareholders on March 13, 2105, the Howard Hughes Corporation publicly disclosed the acquisition of property and air rights from 161-163 Front St., 167 Front St., 175 Front St., 164 John St., 205-207 Front St., 2 Fulton St., 89 and 94 South St. In the last quarter of 2014 they acquired properties at 80 and 83-85 South St.

The Howard Hughes Corporation has been busily assembling properties on the immediate outskirts of the South Street Seaport Historic District, that may allow them to build the largest residential mixed-use building in North America as-of-right,” said a Save Our Seaport spokesperson. […]

The HHC’s proposed “Seaport District Assemblage” may even be taller than 1 World Trade Center (without the antenna) utilizing 818,000 square feet on South Street between John and Fletcher Streets.”
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that may allow them to build the largest residential mixed-use building in North America as-of-right
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"In a letter to shareholders on March 13, 2105,"

Sounds like this one may take awhile.
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"In a letter to shareholders on March 13, 2105,"

Sounds like this one may take awhile.
haha 2105...

No but really, higher than the WTC's roof? I like
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