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Old March 25th, 2015, 10:17 PM   #741
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Nordstrom and seaport tower are still far from convincing to me..
The other 2 are potential icons.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 11:43 PM   #742
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Agreed, same with me
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Old March 26th, 2015, 12:20 AM   #743
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I think a design like the one SHoP proposed at 225 w 57th would look good over the seaport. Especially with that facade and spire.

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Old March 26th, 2015, 12:33 AM   #744
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See that's one that I really don't like. The angles are so obtuse and the proportions so random. I'm not going to suggest what they put here has to be classically inspired, but doing something totally avant-garde in such a prominent location carries a big risk for failure.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 12:52 AM   #745
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I think a design like the one SHoP proposed at 225 w 57th would look good over the seaport. Especially with that facade and spire.
I agree. When I first saw the design for Nordstrom I was loving it BUT... not for that location. Definitely out of context being near Central Park imo. I always thought it would be a better fit somewhere in Lower Manhattan. If it actually gets built I think it would look amazing in real life.

With that said, I don't expect this to be built here and if I'm not mistaken, it was SHoPs first commission for a Supertall and today their their design philosophy has evolved and more refined for what a tall building should be.i f this ever gets built somewhere in the city, I would not be upset at all.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 09:49 PM   #746
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I'm not impressed by any of those designs.
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Old March 27th, 2015, 08:55 PM   #747
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Old March 27th, 2015, 08:58 PM   #748
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did you mean to post these in the 125 Greenwich thread?
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Old March 27th, 2015, 09:15 PM   #749
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lol. My bad. Diddn't mean to get people excited.
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According to reports, below is the Possible 80 South Street dev rights assemblage.

80 South Street = 300,000 sq ft
(Via banks) + 333,000 sq ft
(85 South Street) + 114,000 sq ft
(163 Front Street) + 98,280 sq ft
Potential Buildable = 845,280 sq ft

Howard Hughes strikes deal with Edison that allows it to develop large Seaport building Combined properties hold 500k sf of development rights -
http://therealdeal.com/blog/2015/03/....aPszeIe5.dpuf



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The Howard Hughes Corp. has struck a deal with Edison Properties that allows the former to build a large mixed-use building straddling the border of the South Street Seaport Historic District, according to sources familiar with the transaction.

The Dallas, Texas-based Howard Hughes Corp. and Newark, N.J.-based Edison each own a handful of properties on the block along Front Street between John Street and Maiden Lane. About half of the block lies within the historic district.

City records show that Howard Hughes paid $64.6 million earlier this month to buy nearly 150,000 square feet of air rights from a parking lot Edison owns at the northern end of the block, part of the historic area, and add them to an adjacent development site that Howard Hughes has been assembling since late last year.

The Howard Hughes site, which fronts at 163 Front Street, lies just outside the historic area.

A zoning diagram prepared by SHoP Architects, the firm that the developer’s controversial 42-story mixed-use tower planned just a few blocks north, indicates a project site spanning both companies’ properties.
Representatives for Howard Hughes did not respond to requests for comment, while Edison declined to comment.

SHoP’s zoning diagram indicates the combined properties hold 518,760 square feet of development rights. Howard Hughes properties’ hold several buildings and at the corner of the block opposite Edison’s parking lots, the Lam Group is finishing up work on a 31-story hotel at 161 Front Street.

The site sits about four blocks south and just inland from where the developer is planning to build a controversial, 42-story residential tower on the East River overlooking the historic district.That plan has been met by stiff pushback from community groups arguing it is out of character with the neighborhood, including local Council member Margaret Chin and Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer, who have opposed the plan in its current form.

Howard Hughes has been active in the area lately, including purchasing about $31 million worth of air rights back in February from a consortium of banks that owns the air rights above the South Street Seaport Museum and surrounding properties.
I wonder this 519k sf is already included into the assemblage, which it doesn't appear so from my breakdown of assembled development rights above.

If that is not the case, it's possible that 80 South Street could now have aprox 1.36m sf for development!!

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Old April 1st, 2015, 02:06 AM   #751
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1,36 million square feet for a residential tower? Hell, this could be a megatall

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Old April 1st, 2015, 02:13 AM   #752
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If that is not the case, it's possible that 80 South Street could now have aprox 1.36m sf for development!!

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Bring it on, baby!

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Old April 1st, 2015, 02:53 AM   #753
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Is it mixed use or residential? How much (SF) is Nordstrom?

1.36 could be quite tall, maybe even higher than the WTC roof. I know they already said it might be higher than the current tallest buildings in NY but I didn't believe it until I heard that.
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I don't know but I have a good feeling about this project ... the same I had with 217W57. And we all know how Nordstrom surprised us.

This massive assemblage is heralding something big. I expect 1,300'+ here, at least. And SHoP being involved here could deliver an epic tower.

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If that is not the case, it's possible that 80 South Street could now have aprox 1.36m sf for development!!

SHoP's mixed use 1250' 225 w 57th proposal was 1.28 msf



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Old April 1st, 2015, 04:20 AM   #756
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1250' to roof right?

I agree with hunser, this could definitely break 400 meters
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Old April 1st, 2015, 04:30 AM   #757
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If I read the letter Howard Hughes sent to its shareholders regarding the purchase of air rights in the area correctly, it does seem that the 580K mentioned in this article are already accounted for cause pretty much every property on the whole block is mentioned. It is, however possible that the 150K of air rights will be added to the 845k Howard Hughes have already acquired, which would still make this one a monster downtown. In fact even at 845K, it will still be a monster.
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Old April 1st, 2015, 04:37 AM   #758
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You have that link to that letter/article? I'm very curious.
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I think they are, that or the one on the right is Trump's knock off in Panama City.
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