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Old December 5th, 2007, 10:11 AM   #21
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Its amazing how countries like Morroco see the light, while backward countries like the USA and Australia hold back.
It's amazing how smaller/more compact countries have done this while larger less dense countries have not.
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Old February 7th, 2008, 04:21 PM   #22
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Morocco announces nine-billion-euro high-speed train

CASABLANCA, Morocco, Nov 27, 2007 (AFP) - Morocco's transport minister on Tuesday announced plans for a nine-billion-euro high-speed rail link between the Tangiers and Agadir for 2030, with French operators footing half the bill.

The line was part of a more ambitious plan for high-speed rail routes linking all the country's main cities -- and eventually a network that would spread across north Africa.

"The high-speed train project will require an investment of about 100 billion dirhams (9.1 billion euros, 13.5 billion dollars) of which 50 percent will be financed by French operators," said Transport Minister Karim Ghellab.

The European Union, the Arab Fund for Economic and Social Development, the World Bank and the African Development Bank would also contribute, he said, speaking from Casablanca.

In October, French President Nicolas Sarkozy signed a draft accord for the high-speed rail link between Tangiers and Casablanca, which lies on the route to Agadir, part of a broader package of deals.

About half the estimated construction cost of 2 billion euros would go to French group Alstom, makers of the high-speed TGV train, as well as French rail operator SNCF and network manager RFF.

On Tuesday, Morocco announced broader plans for a high-speed line between Casablanca on the Atlantic coast and Oujda to the west, on the other side of the country. That would cut the 12-hour journey down to five hours.

Other plans included a high-speed rail network across linking the countries of north Africa.

Last June, Morocco and Spain sought EU funding for a joint rail project linking Europe and Africa, passing under the Straits of Gibraltar.

Prime Minister Abbas El Fassi said Morocco, which has already invested 50 billion dirhams in major infrastructure projects between 2002 and 2007, was due to increase spending in this area.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 03:40 PM   #23
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Morocco announces nine-billion-euro high-speed train

CASABLANCA, Morocco, Nov 27, 2007 (AFP) - Morocco's transport minister on Tuesday announced plans for a nine-billion-euro high-speed rail link between the Tangiers and Agadir for 2030, with French operators footing half the bill.
I guess this is a wrong info , 'cause take more than 20 years to built a TGV railway looks like a joke
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Old February 25th, 2008, 10:27 PM   #24
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I guess this is a wrong info , 'cause take more than 20 years to built a TGV railway looks like a joke
Why would it be a joke? The first phase will be Casablanca-Tanger. Agadir will eventually reached by the TGV much later.
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Old February 25th, 2008, 10:50 PM   #25
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Any thought of a link to Spain?
In principle they agree to build a link, but in practice, I think Spain fears illegal immigration across the strait. Imagiine the Sangatte controversy, but 100 times worse. And that actually happened WITHIN the EU. Imagine the problem BETWEEN the EU and Africa.
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Old March 2nd, 2008, 01:41 AM   #26
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It's amazing how smaller/more compact countries have done this while larger less dense countries have not.
You mean densely developed countries like Sweden and Norway and Russia and France? Ohio has the same population density as France. Texas is a nation unto itself. So is California. Take the U.S. east of the Mississippi River and you have travel distances between major cities similar to those in Europe.

Stop making excuses!! Apologists for the U.S. falling to keep up in the world's economy and the quality of infrastructure love to make these excuses that we don't have this or that to support high-speed rail. What we lack in the U.S. is vision, an awareness of what our competitors elsewhere in the world are doing and a willingness to admit and address our shortcomings.
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Old March 2nd, 2008, 02:23 AM   #27
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If you really want to live like europeans, -> pay 50-60% of your income in taxes, pay 20-30% VAT on everything you buy, have prices like in Europe -> cars 2-3 times more expensive, petrol pay 8 dollars per gallon like in Europe, have 10% unemployment rate...

... then go for it, let government take money from your pocket and build HST

if it would be financially beneficial a private company would have done that and built HST already

I prefer to have my Lexus GS400, money in my pocket and fly Southwest than have 50 bhp diesel mini-car, no money (all gone for taxes) and ride TGV like they use to do in Europe
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Old March 2nd, 2008, 08:00 AM   #28
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^ We'll see whether someone who can only get around by Lexus and who lives in a McMansion 100 km from the city will be able to afford European-like fuel prices when energy shortages intensify.
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Old March 2nd, 2008, 10:01 AM   #29
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Its amazing how countries like Morroco see the light, while backward countries like the USA and Australia hold back.
Just to put this comment in context, Australia recently rebuilt the track and upgraded services from Melbourne to Ballarat, Bendigo, Geelong & Traralgon to the same operating speed (160 km/hr ) as the Morroccan scheme, and I think NSW's XPT's & Queenslands Tilt trains run at a similar (maximum) speed.

All the same, well done Morrocco.
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Old May 7th, 2008, 10:03 PM   #30
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MOROCCO | High Speed Rail

Le Maroc à engagé une politique de modernisation de son raiseau férré, dans cet optique 24 nouvelles rames on été commandées et de nouvelles lignes sont en cours de réalisation, mais à terme le rséeau sera saturé et pour subdvenir aux besoin de transport, le TGV fera son apparition.
Ce sera le premeir pays d'afrique à disposer d'un TGV !

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Old May 8th, 2008, 12:01 AM   #31
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Il y a un 'thread' ici http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=538347&page=2 mais merci pour les cartes.
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Old May 8th, 2008, 01:51 AM   #32
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Ah oui, la focntion 'search' ne m'a pas tout indiqué cette petite cachotierre je remets mes infos là-bas donc !
Je voudrais bien recréer ce sujet en le nomant " Morrocan railways " j'ai déjà des photos :

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Old May 8th, 2008, 01:51 AM   #33
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TANGIER - CASABLANCA TGV Duplex Trains 320 km/h

NAME: TGV MAROCAIN
LOCATION: Casablanca - Tangier
NUMBER: 18 SNCF TGV Duplex Trains
STATUS: PROJECT
WORKS: Casablanca - Tangier : 2008 - 2013



Schéma Directeur de la Grande Vitesse au Maroc

C’est dans ce contexte que l’ONCF a mené, en 2005-2006, une étude structurante ayant conduit à l’élaboration d’un schéma directeur pour le développement d’un réseau ferré de lignes pour Trains à Grande Vitesse au Maroc (TGVM).



Ce schéma directeur prévoit la construction d’un réseau de 1500 km devant relier à l’horizon 2030 :

Tanger à Agadir via Rabat, Casablanca, Marrakech et Essaouira en moins de 4 heures (Ligne Atlantique),
Casablanca à Oujda via Méknes, Fés en moins de 3 heures (Ligne Maghrébine).

1ère étape du projet de la Grande Vitesse au Maroc

Aujourd’hui, le TGV marocain se précise.

En effet, et dans une 1ère phase, ce sont deux lignes à Grande vitesse qui seront mises en service :



La première, vers le nord, reliera Tanger à Casablanca en 2013.
Elle a fait l’objet en octobre dernier d’un protocole d’accord entre le Maroc et la France qui porte sur la conception, la construction, l’exploitation et l’entretien de la nouvelle ligne à Grande Vitesse Tanger - Casablanca dont 200 km entre Tanger et Kénitra à 320 km/h. Le coût du projet selon des études préliminaires est estimé à 20 milliards de dhs. Il permettra d’effectuer le trajet entre les 2 métropoles en 2h10 mn au lieu de 5h 45mn actuellement et drainera un flux de clientèle estimé à 8 millions de passagers par an.

La seconde, vers le sud, reliera Marrakech à Casablanca en 1h20 au lieu de 3h15 actuellement.
Le montage financier de la 1ère section (Marrakech – Settat d’une longueur de 170 km) est en cours de réflexion.

site : http://www.oncf.ma/Fr/index.aspx?md=76&rb=384

Next Projects :

2: Casablanca - Marrakech
3: Casablanca - Fez
4: Fez - Oujda
5: Marrakech - Agadir
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Old May 8th, 2008, 11:55 PM   #35
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It's amazing how smaller/more compact countries have done this while larger less dense countries have not.
That argument is a fallacy. The US has a load of quite compact highly populated areas that can easily take it up to be compared to other conglomerates in the world that are connected by high speed lines. But thats without a doubt off topic anyway.


I find it great that Morroco seems to have serious plans about making a great improvement of its rail infrastructure. A tunnel connection to Spain would be great, but I don't know if that extreme undertaking could ever pay off.
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Old January 4th, 2009, 02:42 AM   #38
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MOROCCO | High Speed Rail

NAME: TGV MAROCAIN

LOCATION: Casablanca - Tangier

NUMBER: 18 SNCF TGV Duplex Trains

STATUS: PROJECT

WORKS: Casablanca - Tangier : 2009 - 2014




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Next Projects :

2: Casablanca - Marrakech
3: Casablanca - Fez
4: Fez - Oujda
5: Marrakech - Agadir
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Saoui, as a fellow Parisian - well, foreigner in Paris - I (also?) read the French specialised press. Like you I'm thrilled at the prospect of a first LGV on the African continent. My first thought was, though, isn't Morocco a tad too poor to develop such grand designs, but on second thought this turns out to be too negative. The acquisition of land and the price of labour (two of the costliest elements of railway construction) are much cheaper than in Europe and Japan. And, with the Moroccan population growing explosively demand is definitely there.

One question, though: you say Tanger to Casablanca. Is this true? Has the plan been altered? When I read about this project the first phase was limited to Tanger-Kenitra - partly because the existing railway line Kenitra-Casablanca has been upgraded and is now the most modern in the country.
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Old January 4th, 2009, 04:14 PM   #40
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Isnt the pic of the train from the Argentinian HST project?
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