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Old August 12th, 2012, 01:17 AM   #261
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Finnish seems very difficult to me. Very different language structure. Isn't it quite similar to Hungarian and Estonian?
Finnish is similar to Estonian as Dutch is to German.
Finnish is similar to Hungarian as Dutch is to Russian.

Now you're going to say that Dutch and Russian have nothing to do with each other. But yes, they do. They both are in the indo-european language family and it is a terrible lot easier for a Dutch person to learn Russian than to learn Finnish. The reason for that is that Dutch is far more similar with Russian than with Finnish.
And just like you can recognize similarities between English and Russian (such as the existence of prepositions such as "to" and "from", which sound completely different in Russian but serve the same purpose), you can also recognize similarities between Finnish and Hungarian.
Whereas "house" in Finnish is "talo" and "in a house" is "talossa", in Hungarian those are "ház" and "házben". Although the endings -ssa and -ben sound completely different, the concept is the same in both. And of course this is just one example among many possible.
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Old August 12th, 2012, 09:35 AM   #262
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Finnish is similar to Estonian as Dutch is to German.
Finnish is similar to Hungarian as Dutch is to Russian.

Now you're going to say that Dutch and Russian have nothing to do with each other. But yes, they do. They both are in the indo-european language family and it is a terrible lot easier for a Dutch person to learn Russian than to learn Finnish. The reason for that is that Dutch is far more similar with Russian than with Finnish.
And just like you can recognize similarities between English and Russian (such as the existence of prepositions such as "to" and "from", which sound completely different in Russian but serve the same purpose), you can also recognize similarities between Finnish and Hungarian.
Whereas "house" in Finnish is "talo" and "in a house" is "talossa", in Hungarian those are "ház" and "házben". Although the endings -ssa and -ben sound completely different, the concept is the same in both. And of course this is just one example among many possible.
Finnish and Hungarian both belong to the Fenno-Ugric family of languages. They were separated pretty early, much earlier than say Finnish and Estonian. The structure of the language still is similar but there are not much common in the vocabulary. Yes, and both love long words.

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Old August 12th, 2012, 04:26 PM   #263
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Those photos present the recently completed work to upgrade the road. Your post is missing one the most crucial element, the Kalliosola exit #41 on E18:

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This exit replaced three traffic lights, which were severe bottlenecks, with those ones killing the Vantaankoski junction #39A of E18 and 3/E12.

The Vantaankoski junction was totally rebuilt to a free-flow one. Because of space constraints the westbound ramps of the exit #39B were removed, and the route between the Ring 3 and the road 130 (ex 3) was restored by building a new road to the new Myllymäki exit #38.
The improvement was just partial, a Phase 1 - Works on this section will continue hopefully soon as Vantaa city demanded when loaning to the state money to quit traffic lights from the section, which still is a serious bottleneck because of the lack of the projected third lanes. Vantaankoski junction with Road 3 was also rebuilt just partially.
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Old August 12th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #264
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http://aulis.sange.fi/~otso/stuff/smith-polvinen/ Some extremely interesting stuff

Extracts from the proposed Smith-Polvinen-plan (1968), the Helsinki motorway network by 2000. The network planned here is extremely huge and heavy, and a vast majority of the routes were never built.
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Old August 13th, 2012, 12:15 PM   #265
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What is the font name of Finnish road signs?
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Old August 13th, 2012, 01:21 PM   #266
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No name.

It is not any known font, which is a slight problem nowadays. The shape of each individual character is documented in the official drawings.
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Old August 13th, 2012, 01:38 PM   #267
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The improvement was just partial, a Phase 1 - Works on this section will continue hopefully soon as Vantaa city demanded when loaning to the state money to quit traffic lights from the section, which still is a serious bottleneck because of the lack of the projected third lanes. Vantaankoski junction with Road 3 was also rebuilt just partially.
The upgrade of the Ring 3 was split in to two phases in order to resolve the most burning issues quickly. The phase 1 is now completed, and the traffic seems to flow rather fluently.

The phase 2 will have much wider scope than the phase 1, and the final scope and the schedule are still open. It will not bring much new to the newly completed strecth: The north-to-east loop ramp at the Vantaankoski junction will be replaced by a half direct one, some lane arrangements will be done between that junction and the next one to the south, and third lanes will be added. Because of the good results from the phase 1, I would not be very surprised if those additional improvements were postponed to the unknown future.

Postponing those might have adverse effects in the future, because the Vantaankoski junction will receive a lot of new load from the Marja-Vantaa area to be built nearby: Homes for 30,000 people, shopping malls, and the key commuting hub at the new ring railway line connecting the current nothern and northwestern lines.
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Old August 13th, 2012, 01:58 PM   #268
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I tried to draw a map of Helsinki in inkscape. Unfortunately there are not any good base maps available on Wikimedia Commons, so I had to trace the coastline from Google Maps from scratch.

Current network:


Planned 1960s network:

Thick red line = motorway
Thin red line = expressway
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Old August 13th, 2012, 02:45 PM   #269
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I tried to draw a map of Helsinki in inkscape. Unfortunately there are not any good base maps available on Wikimedia Commons, so I had to trace the coastline from Google Maps from scratch.

Current network:


Planned 1960s network:
Yes and no.

The Smith-Polvinen report from the year 1968 provided with four transportation scenarios, including road, rail and bus traffic. The scenario C, which was the most heavyweight one, was the consultant's proposal, and it created much noise. Quite few people realize that it included a proposal for an extensive rail network, too.

The current setup in the Helsinki region is rather similar to what Smith and Polvinen proposed in their scenario A.

Smith and Polvinen have been incorrectly criticized on their willingness to make the heart of Helsinki to a motorway junction. City of Helsinki ordered the work, and the aim was to create several futuristic scenarios on top of various principles. The mission was to assess which kind of a road network would be needed in which scenario.

What is interesting, the traffic growth forecast until 2000 done by Smith and Polvinen turned much more accurate one than the one done ten years later with better data. Currently, there long term network plan is updated every fourth year, and this work is a direct continuum to the S ad P methodology.
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City centers are not as dominant as they were in the 1950s and 1960s. Helsinki is highly dispersed, which is also reflected in the traffic volumes. Not a single route towards the city center exceeds 40.000 vehicles per day. In most European cities, only 10 - 20% of the urban area employment is in the city center. Hence, they don't need large motorway networks in the city center. While rail transport is still very much based on focal points like city centers, road transport is not, it's much more dispersed.
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Old August 13th, 2012, 10:05 PM   #271
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Helsinki city's own plans for a central expressway network from 1970, that would be very useful still today with some accurate enviromental planning, but impossible in this country nowadays:

Red: Never built, cancelled
Blue: Built
Green: Will be built
Pink: Will possibly be built
Black: Demolished



The central east-west route is the same as that of the cancelled Central Tunnel (what a stupidity!).

The western coastal expressway would be still extremely useful and uncongesting, and also easy to build because of the lack of buildings on it's route - though expensive because of the many needed bridges.

The Lahti and Porvoo motorways were actually built outside of the city center according to Smith-Polvinen plans, while Road 51, Road 1, Road 45 and Road 170 were already motorways by 1968.
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Old August 13th, 2012, 10:48 PM   #272
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City centers are not as dominant as they were in the 1950s and 1960s. Helsinki is highly dispersed, which is also reflected in the traffic volumes. Not a single route towards the city center exceeds 40.000 vehicles per day. In most European cities, only 10 - 20% of the urban area employment is in the city center. Hence, they don't need large motorway networks in the city center. While rail transport is still very much based on focal points like city centers, road transport is not, it's much more dispersed.
Well, I would not consider the AADT per road as an absolute figure a feasible metric of the dispersion, without knowing the total population and the number of roads in question.

A better indication for the decentralisation process is the fact that the number of vehicles daily entering and leaving the Helsinki inner city has been unchanged for the last 40 years even if the population in the metropolitan area has increased by 40% from about 760,000 to 1,050,000 since 1970.

The city of Helsinki has grown only 22%, from 483,000 to 589,000. Most of the growth has taken place in the remaining metropolitan area: in the towns of Espoo and Vantaa (and in the microtown of Kauniainen).

Especially families with kids tend to escape the high housing cost to the next outer ring of eight municipalities (Kirkkonummi, Vihti, Nurmijärvi, Tuusula, Kerava, Sipoo, Järvenpää, Hyvinkää), and still to commute to the metropolitan area. This area plus the metropolitan area is nowadays defined as a LUA (Large Urban Area) in the Eurostat terminology. The total population of the LUA is 1,324,000. Thus, the city of Helsinki nowadays represents only 44% of the population of the Helsinki Larger Urban Area.

Big fraction of the jobs are nowadays located close to the ring roads, and along the radial roads between the rings. This has created a lot of traffic on the ring roads, and their traffic volumes seem to be ever increasing. Despite this, the local politicians decided to spend 1000+ million euros to extend the radial metro system in Helsinki to the west in order to replace the extremely well working bus system.
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A nice aerial photo of the Tampere-south motorway interchange.



When did this configuration open? The valtatie 3 already opened in 1968, but valtatie 9 (to the right) didn't open until 1994 and the Tampere bypass (left) wasn't doubled to 2x2 until 2008.
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A nice aerial photo of the Tampere-south motorway interchange.

When did this configuration open? The valtatie 3 already opened in 1968, but valtatie 9 (to the right) didn't open until 1994 and the Tampere bypass (left) wasn't doubled to 2x2 until 2008.
That stacked version opened in 1994 as a part of the Tampere East Bypass project.

The picture is obsolete. The next exit to the south has been upgraded to a full exit and the ramps of those two exits are now interconnected.
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I was wondering about the use of E-roads in daily Finnish speech.

Finland is the only Scandinavian country to have a national numbering system with routes that run concurrent with E-roads.

Which are preferred by the population and media? Is it common to say E12 Helsinki - Tampere or do they use the valtatie 3 number?
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I was wondering about the use of E-roads in daily Finnish speech.

Finland is the only Scandinavian country to have a national numbering system with routes that run concurrent with E-roads.

Which are preferred by the population and media? Is it common to say E12 Helsinki - Tampere or do they use the valtatie 3 number?
Virtually nobody talks about E numbers. The exception might be the E18 from Turku to Vaalimaa spanning on several national roads when the E road itself is discussed: "The E18 should meet the motorway standards by 2015". But the road from Helsinki to Turku is always referred to as road 1, not as road E18.

The roads 1-10 are usually referred to by the spoken language expression "ykköstie", "kakkostie", "kolmostie", "nelostie", "viitostie", "kuutostie", "seiskatie", "kasitie", "ysitie" ja "kymppitie" ("1-road, 2-road, etc") or by their unofficial name Porintie (road to Pori), Lahdentie (road to Lahti), equivalent to say Bremener Strasse.
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Some nice photos of Vt4 in Lahti.

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The new Vt7 motorway (E18) from Koskenkylä to Kotka:

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Reconstruction of the road № 51 from Helsinki in the south-west to the Raasepori. Its length is not great - only 75 km:

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Construction is carried out with multiple switching and changes in traffic patterns in areas of reconstruction:
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Interchange road №51 and local road №11277.

Panorama East (from Helsinki) approach to a interchange:
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Reconstruction (expandable up to 2 +2) of the eastern approach to the interchange:
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On the neighboring participation, at a distance of just tens of meters from each other, can coexist rocky ground and swamps:
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And swamp full - with pools in which, despite the proximity of the motorway, continue to haunt swans:
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In such places, the pile hammer and tie them in a concrete slab rastverkom the entire width of the roadway:
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The terrain in the area of ​​reconstruction is very "inhabited" - space is limited at the conventions are widely used "ring":
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Junction "southern" exits road №51 to the local road №11277 is designed as a "Rings"

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A view of the junction from the south.

Closer to Helsinki, is already "inside" RING III (ring road around Greater Helsinki), completed the construction of the tunnel:
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Time to go from the road number 51 to the RING III to the east (towards St. Petersburg).

Finns call the tunnel: "Green Bridge". Intended for animal migration, as well as places of feeding elk in winter and summer are on opposite sides of the road(Source of information).

Tunnel, or rather two adjacent tunnel - one for each of the roadway, constructed "open-":
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Long tunnel of 60 meters, total construction width of 30 meters, the height of the asphalt "in the light" of 7 meters. Will be laid on top of a dirt forest road lined with trees and shrubs.
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View from the western side of the tunnel, to the east - in the direction to Helsinki.

Bonus - exhibiting tunnel formwork, photo from May 24, 2011:
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Finnträskin vihersilta (lataa painokelpoiset kuvat klikkaamalla hiiren oikeaa näppäintä) by Liikennevirasto, on Flickr


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It's neccessary to say that the reconstruction covers only the section from Espoo to Kirkkonummi (some 10 Kms), and it will be a motorway to Siuntio in a very far future.
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