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Old January 28th, 2014, 01:30 AM   #481
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Ok, thanks for correction.
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Old February 1st, 2014, 09:54 PM   #482
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The current road works do not close the gap of 5 km non-motorway class road between the Espoo/Vantaa city limit and the road 3/E12. There are 3 substandard junctions (or to be exact, 2 junctions and 2 half-junctions) having bad slip roads and pedestrians crossing the slip roads. In addition, there are a few non-separated bus stops.

The plans to upgrade that section are in place, but the schedule is open.

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Funny. Next day I wrote this post, the local newspaper told that the plans for replacing one of the junctions with a new one have been killed. Instead, the existing junction will enjoy a minor face lift.

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Old February 4th, 2014, 05:06 AM   #483
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Never should anyone listen to such people's views, who don't have a clue about traffic planning. The important thing is that we will get the 3+3 lanes (hopefully not stupid bus lanes...) Which junction has been quitted? :o So the whole section is still planned as 3+3-4+4?

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Old February 4th, 2014, 06:47 AM   #484
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Never should anyone listen to such people's views, who don't have a clue about traffic planning. The important thing is that we will get the 3+3 lanes (hopefully not stupid bus lanes...) Which junction has been quitted? :o So the whole section is still planned as 3+3-4+4?
The earlier plan was to build a new diamond-shaped junction about 500 m to the east of the current one.

The section to the west of the road 120 will be 2+2, and the east section 3+3.
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Old February 5th, 2014, 09:54 PM   #485
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There is also a serious problem on Kehä III, the section between Espoon Keskus and Road 51 with 1+1 lanes and AADT 12 000 - 24 000. In 2030 forecasted up to 60 000!
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Old February 7th, 2014, 05:45 PM   #486
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Reconstructing 12 kilometers of the Vt. 8 north of Turku begins next week. It will be reconstructed into a motorway. The project runs from Raisio to Nousiainen. The € 102.5 million project will be completed in late 2016. (ping MichiH)

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Old February 8th, 2014, 05:14 AM   #487
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As far as I have understood this project doesn't include the interchange between 8 and 40 (Turku bypass). Pity.

Right east of road 8, road 40 begins as a good motorway-like road (though not officially a motorway) all the way to its interchange with road 10. It is becoming even more important now as the Turku harbour access road is completed (and all traffic from Turku harbour to, say, Helsinki is now signposted via 8 and 40).

The interchange of 8 (a future motorway) and 40 (the end-point of a nearly-motorway) is not really satisfying, including at-grade left turns and direct access to local streets through the same traffic lights...
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Old February 8th, 2014, 07:08 PM   #488
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The upgrade of the Turku by-pass-interchange including a construction of a three-level roundabout interchange and a tunnel under Raisio city center + widening towards Naantali is planned, for 2030...

Also, this Road 8 project isn't going to be constructed up to Nousiainen in the near future, but just to Masku... Traffic levels justify motorway to Mynämäki and Rauma-Eurajoki + near Pori, but this will not propably happen in the near future. Actually the traffic of E63 between Turku and Pori including it's traffical importance justifies a whole motorway between the two cities.

Btw, Finland spens according to Nykypäivä twice less than Sweden on roads...
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Old February 9th, 2014, 10:29 PM   #489
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You mean half? It's almost double in population tough.
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Old February 10th, 2014, 01:48 AM   #490
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twice less = half. There is a very long, sad tradition of spending very few money on infrastructure.
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Old February 10th, 2014, 02:02 PM   #491
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Several European countries have reached a point where road funding is only sufficient for maintenance, not actual projects which need new funding sources.
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Old February 10th, 2014, 06:20 PM   #492
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Still, I admire those countries which care a lot about maintenance. Like the nordic countries. There, no matter which route you have to drive, you can be quite sure that the road will be in a good shape. Other countries, like the Czech Republic, have no clue of what preventive maintenance is. The know construction, urgent repair need, acute maintenace and reconstruction. Building new roads without being able to maintain them makes no sense.
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Old February 11th, 2014, 03:39 PM   #493
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Still, I admire those countries which care a lot about maintenance. Like the nordic countries. There, no matter which route you have to drive, you can be quite sure that the road will be in a good shape. Other countries, like the Czech Republic, have no clue of what preventive maintenance is. The know construction, urgent repair need, acute maintenace and reconstruction. Building new roads without being able to maintain them makes no sense.
But instead you have 1+1 with trucks and intersections with every houseyard on E-roads. It's not so expensive to, for example, built a second carriageway near the other one.

Also, I just don't understand why we have hundreds of millions for nonsense projects but not a couple for putting a third lane on Helsinki's actually honestly congested radials for example with even less cost quitting the hard shoulder...
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Old February 11th, 2014, 07:47 PM   #494
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It´s always better to spend more than less on roads. But keeping the roads in good shape is far a bigger priority than building new roads. EVERYBODY is entitled to good infrastructure. Considering the scarce resources, it´s not good for society that money is spent on luxury projects and letting the already built sections decay, not mentioning the need of road improvement in regions outside of politically prioritized corridors. Of course you should always use your money in a wise way. Newbuilt 2+1 road sections is a good example. It´s a good solution for making old wide sections of countryside roads safe. But building new ones is crap, 2+2 wouldn´t cost that much in excess considering the long-term benefits.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 09:56 PM   #495
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Helsinki infrastructure plan of 1960. Eventhought none of the roads went through populated areas at all except areas that consisted back then on small 1-2-story wooden houses, the most important roads were never built - so didn't the 109 station metro network nor the Porvoo railway. Why? A mystery...
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Now they are considering building the future Lahti southern by-pass partly 1+1-laned... Just can't understand why to build crap to save like two millions?...
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It is contained in a long-term prestudy spanning until 2040 compiled by the regional road agency and the local municipalities, both not being a part of the money-owning decision making pipeline. There are no further plans to upgrade this road section.

The black figures reflect the current AADT. The highest figure 20700 (not 26000 as RV tells) applies to sections within the city limits if Jyväskylä where there already is a motorway or a 2+2 road. Across the whole section in question, the AADT varies from 5700 to 16200 (not from 10000 to 26000). The percentages show the share of the heavy vehicles. The red figures show the projected AADT in the year 2040.

That prestudy does not suggest constructing a motorway across the whole section. Instead, it suggest taking a three-wave development action to build a motorway until Muurame (the green double line), a 2+2 road until Korpilahti (the red double line), and a 2+1 road for the rest. Two short 2+1 sections already exist.

The prestudy introduces a totally new concept of a "mini interchange" to separate the local traffic:



The road section was built in 1950's and it is part of an important east-west transport corridor. However, it lost a lot of its importance in mid-1990's, when the main north-south corridor 4/E75 was moved to the east side of the lake Päijänne. The section is far from reaching the country-wide TOP20 list of traffic investments (roads, railways, waterways) receiving the most money and priority.
Well the whole section to the road 24 has an AADT over 10 000, so it should be built whole the way 2+2! Also, these figures will be much higher when this project will be constructed in 2065 or so.
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Old April 11th, 2014, 04:53 PM   #498
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The heck is this? Why is hundreds of millions wasted into these road project when the money could be allocated to more reasonable projects like for example the ring railway, subway extension and new studies about the feasability of turning the utterly USELESS Helsinki region motorways into boulevards??
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Old April 14th, 2014, 10:57 AM   #499
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Useless motorways for 50 000-100 000 daily cars? You Greens are crazy. Studies were done, and it concluded that travel time would triplicate. The only support for these studies is found in the center in the city, with no motorways around there, so a bit strange to let such people decide. There is very heavy racism against people living not in the center overall going on.
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Old May 8th, 2014, 03:46 AM   #500
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Finns, who decide about roads in Finland are mainly from Helsinki, and they are very extremely against all what concerns cars except taxes. The percent of vote of Greens in Helsinki is over 20 and green-communist Left Alliance over 10. That is the reason that projects that were 10 years ago planned to be ready by now are on hold or even cancelled - and that is decided only by 100 000 persons living outside of motorways in Helsinki city center out of 5 400 000 persons.
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