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Old December 15th, 2014, 04:19 PM   #581
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The Kehä III / Airport Road interchange on 4 December.


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Old December 16th, 2014, 03:25 PM   #582
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The Kehä III / Vt. 7 interchange in Helsinki.


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Old December 16th, 2014, 04:32 PM   #583
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Hamina bypass opens to traffic tomorrow

http://news.cision.com/fi/liikennevi...-2014,c9696750
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Old December 16th, 2014, 06:47 PM   #584
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Finnish motorways are beautifully designed.
I admire the architecture of Finland for years.
In Poland, it spents a lot of money for ugly road infrastructure. I was very worried.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 10:29 PM   #585
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Is there any particular reason why Finland uses "non-standard" narrow crash barriers like these here?
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Old December 16th, 2014, 11:34 PM   #586
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Is there any particular reason why Finland uses "non-standard" narrow crash barriers like these here?
Which property does make these non-standard ones?
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Old December 17th, 2014, 03:44 AM   #587
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Finnish motorways are beautifully designed.
I admire the architecture of Finland for years.
In Poland, it spents a lot of money for ugly road infrastructure. I was very worried.
Only if we had the network we need...
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Old December 17th, 2014, 02:17 PM   #588
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The Hamina bypass is open to traffic!



If I calculated correctly, 53 kilometers of new motorway opened to traffic in 2014, the highest amount since 1992.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 06:50 PM   #589
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Which property does make these non-standard ones?
I put the non-standard in quotes because they obviously are up to standard, they are just narrower than elsewhere in Europe. I was wondering if there's a particular reason for that.
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I put the non-standard in quotes because they obviously are up to standard, they are just narrower than elsewhere in Europe. I was wondering if there's a particular reason for that.
Narrower? Those rails?
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:00 PM   #591
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Finnish motorways are beautifully designed.
I admire the architecture of Finland for years.
In Poland, it spents a lot of money for ugly road infrastructure. I was very worried.
I don't know why you think that Poland is making bad looking motorways.In my opinion they are one of the nicest in Europe.
Flat and safe with little number of curves.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 03:44 PM   #592
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Narrower? Those rails?
Yes, the guard rail is narrower. Compare this Finnish guard rail with the ones used in Estonia and France, for example.
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Old December 19th, 2014, 02:59 PM   #593
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Yes, the guard rail is narrower. Compare this Finnish guard rail with the ones used in Estonia and France, for example.
I cannot see difference between the Estonian and Finnish structures.

There is a rather new set of European standards, called EN 1317 family. The design of barriers is always a trade-off: They must be rigid enough to prevent a vehicle from running out of the road, and non-rigid enough to prevent personal injuries from happening. In the arctic areas, the characteristics related to snow and ploughing are important, too.

The default rail in Finland is Containment Class N2 Impact Severity Class A. At challenging sections, H1/A or H2/B classes may be used. On bridges, the default rail is H2/B. These choices vary by country. Typically, the higher containment classes are in use in countries having high traffic volumes, and a high share of heavy vehicles.

The family of standards is pretty new. Comparing old structures to new ones may be like comparing apples to oranges.
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Old December 19th, 2014, 05:03 PM   #594
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Old December 20th, 2014, 08:15 AM   #595
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Plans for Lahti southern by-pass (area home for 200 000 people) have been downgraded. A great deal of it will be mostly 1+1-laned regular road instead of initially planned full motorway. Interchange with the main street of Lahti has also been cutted. Also the interchange around the main industrial area of Lahti is in danger. And this for 20 or so millions out of 250! Year or two, and people will complain about truck-accidents and ADT! Typical Finnish shit-roadplanning. Just to save a few millions, to spend more in a few years...

Discussing this and re-planning will cost this project another four years. Maybe by then they will again understand the need of a full-lenght expressway. That would mean another four years...

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Old December 21st, 2014, 08:00 PM   #596
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Plans for Lahti southern by-pass (area home for 200 000 people) have been downgraded. A great deal of it will be mostly 1+1-laned regular road instead of initially planned full motorway. Interchange with the main street of Lahti has also been cutted. Also the interchange around the main industrial area of Lahti is in danger. And this for 20 or so millions out of 250! Year or two, and people will complain about truck-accidents and ADT! Typical Finnish shit-roadplanning. Just to save a few millions, to spend more in a few years...
What's the point? The bypass would mostly serve the traffic flows west-to-east and west-to-north. The existing west-to-east road through the city is 2+2 already. It has traffic lights, though. Still I wonder how many would change that to a longer 1+1...

Besides, there already is a regular road passing the city in the south, namely 296. Want to save some money? Rename it, put some new signposts, and woosh! like magic, you've got a bypass, no construction needed. It's only 2 km extra.
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What's the point? The bypass would mostly serve the traffic flows west-to-east and west-to-north. The existing west-to-east road through the city is 2+2 already. It has traffic lights, though. Still I wonder how many would change that to a longer 1+1...

Besides, there already is a regular road passing the city in the south, namely 296. Want to save some money? Rename it, put some new signposts, and woosh! like magic, you've got a bypass, no construction needed. It's only 2 km extra.
That road is 1+1. There are going to be a traffic of 13 000 A(A)DT on that 1+1-section. Such b-shit. It's about the main east-west corridor in the country besides E18 and supports a lot of trucks. And just to save a couple millions and then note that (like in Tampere) capacity is too low but it will be expanded in 2150 or something. If you do something, do it properly at once or leave it. Anyways this is going to cost years for this project that was ready for the 2015-2019 budget.
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Old December 22nd, 2014, 01:31 AM   #598
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Just a li'l OT: which is the northernmost airport in Finland with connections from major European cities and where one can rent a car to drive to Nordkapp in Norway?
Or, asked in another way, which is the "best"/most recommended route by car from Finland to the Nordkapp?
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That road is 1+1. There are going to be a traffic of 13 000 A(A)DT on that 1+1-section. Such b-shit. It's about the main east-west corridor in the country besides E18 and supports a lot of trucks.
I know. Tried irony and failed.
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Just a li'l OT: which is the northernmost airport in Finland with connections from major European cities and where one can rent a car to drive to Nordkapp in Norway?
If by connections you mean direct flights, then it's
- on high season Rovaniemi, check details from your airline
- year around, if Stockholm, London-Stansted and Bremen are major enough, Tampere
- otherwise Helsinki

However, if a plane change in Helsinki is ok, then it's Ivalo.

Also note that "high season" in Rovaniemi means usually winter, and winter really isn't a recommended time to visit Nordkapp. The final part of the road may simply be closed entirely. Of course you can fly to Rovaniemi in summer as well if you change plane in Helsinki.

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Or, asked in another way, which is the "best"/most recommended route by car from Finland to the Nordkapp?
Depends on where you start, but mostly you must choose between east and west. (Or make a round-trip, one route to go and the other to return, and see more Finnish Lapland on your way.) On the eastern route take either 4 or 5 up to Sodankylä (4 is faster but much more boring). From Sodankylä go on 4 to Ivalo (unless you flew there in the first place) and further on to Kaamanen, then 92 to the Norwegian border and further on (still 92) to Kárášjohka, then E6 and E69.

On the western route leave 4 in Kemi, take 29 to Tornio, then 21 to Muonio and futher on to Palojoensuu, then 93 to the Norwegian border and further on (still 93) to Alta, then E6 and E69.
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