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Old June 13th, 2015, 02:09 PM   #621
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I've seen much higher quotes before, in the € 600 million range. Although € 378 million / 32 km = € 11.8 million per kilometer, which is not uncommon for rural motorway construction, but seems low if it includes a 20-year PPP contract.
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Old June 13th, 2015, 02:17 PM   #622
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378 million euros is it the total price of the Hamina-Vaalimaa motorway construction?
No, construction and maintenance for 20 years.
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Old June 13th, 2015, 04:45 PM   #623
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No, construction and maintenance for 20 years.
The contract includes detailed planning, construction, maintenance for 20 years, and financing operations.
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Old June 13th, 2015, 05:04 PM   #624
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It would be interesting to see what the construction alone would cost.
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Old June 13th, 2015, 05:59 PM   #625
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The contract includes detailed planning, construction, maintenance for 20 years, and financing operations.
That's cheap
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Old June 16th, 2015, 12:28 AM   #626
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A bridge crossing road 5 collapsed in Mikkeli on Monday.

The bridge was meant to be demolished anyway, but it didn't go the way it was planned, due to a demolition planning mistake.

The video shows it more clearly than a thousand words: http://www.iltalehti.fi/iltvuutiset/...50508_v0.shtml

Also note some drivers driving under the collapsed bridge, avoiding a 10 min detour
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Old June 16th, 2015, 01:00 AM   #627
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The contract includes detailed planning, construction, maintenance for 20 years, and financing operations.
Any cost estimation for a 20 years period is certainly very approximate, and will need to be adjusted due to inflation.
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Old June 17th, 2015, 04:20 PM   #628
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Any cost estimation for a 20 years period is certainly very approximate, and will need to be adjusted due to inflation.
The contract fee is a different thing from the total cost. The fee may be fixed. In that case, the cost risk is covered by financial instruments.
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Old June 18th, 2015, 06:01 PM   #629
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Construction on Kehä I (Ring 1) in eastern Helsinki.


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Old July 3rd, 2015, 10:09 AM   #630
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The full moon over the road 12.

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Old August 5th, 2015, 12:34 PM   #631
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Ring 3, Helsinki

Some aerial photos of Kehä III (Ring 3) around Helsinki, mostly of the eastern part, plus the Airport road (seututie 135, last few photos).


Kehä III:n parannushanke, 2.vaihe vt4-vt7 ilmakuvat 5/2015 by Liikennevirasto, on Flickr


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Kehä III:n parannushanke, 2.vaihe Lentoasemantien alue ilmakuvat 5/2015 by Liikennevirasto, on Flickr


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The third lanes between E75 and E18 on Ring III/E18 have been partially opened as well^
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On the Road 130 Hämeenlinna-Helsinki today.







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Old September 1st, 2015, 09:44 AM   #637
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^Old Highway 3.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 10:45 AM   #638
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^Old Highway 3.
Except for the image #4, the camera is located at the point where the roads 3 and 130 run in parallel pretty close to each other. The truck in the image #2 is driving on the road 3 about 200 meters apart.

https://www.google.fi/maps/@60.53779...7i13312!8i6656
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Old September 1st, 2015, 12:52 PM   #639
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I've almost crashed into several Finnish drivers this summer, mostly cause they drive very cautiously(slow) on the off/on ramps in Malmö/Lund area, specially in the cloverlefs. Please don't break soo much!


How is driving culture in Finland vs Sweden?
And is this layout used in Finland?


Outer ring road and Trelleborg highway.

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I've almost crashed into several Finnish drivers this summer, mostly cause they drive very cautiously(slow) on the off/on ramps in Malmö/Lund area, specially in the cloverlefs. Please don't break soo much!


How is driving culture in Finland vs Sweden?
And is this layout used in Finland?


Outer ring road and Trelleborg highway.
Well...

After driving quite a lot in Sweden, I would say that currently there is not much difference. Earlier, the difference was bigger, but the gap has been closing for several reasons:

- Sweden has dropped most of the 1+1 roads with wide shoulders, and converted them to 2+1 ones. Some people said that the earlier type made traffic flexible. My opinion is that is was pure anarchy. Anyway, the road types are now pretty similar in both countries.

- Swedes have adopted bad habits during the last few decades: tailgating, mad overspeeding, and returning too quickly to the right lane after taking over. (In my observation, the Swedish driving culture collapsed during 1988-1989 when the 90 km/h speed limit was in effect in all motorways. People learned that the non-disciplined driving does not lead immediately to the hell. After restoring the speed limits, the earlier law-abiding culture did not resume.)

- Finns have learned how to drive on the congested roads, and to merge in the zipper method (except in the Northern areas).

There are exactly two cloverleaf-type of junctions in Finland. In addition, there are half a dozen of cloverleaf-turbine hybrids. Driving at cloverleaves typically need a low speed because of the short weaving zone and tight loop ramps.

It not a typical habit in Finland to pump the brake pedal before entering the exit lane. However, the Swedish style of making motorways without exit lanes might be confusing to the foreigners, and therefore prone to unexpected behavior.

https://www.google.fi/maps/@55.52606...8i6656!6m1!1e1

People tend to be extra careful when they leave their comfort zone. The traffic density in the southern provinces of Sweden is higher than in most Finnish highways. Much of the traffic concentrates in the southern areas of Finland. Those ones living in the remote provinces in Finland leaving for their first trip to southern Sweden, are definitely out of their comfort zone for several days. Please understand them, and be patient!
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