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Old September 3rd, 2015, 03:06 AM   #641
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What really is confusing is Finnish motorway-status-system. Example: Ring III or Road 6 Lappeenranta-Imatra are good motorwaya, but they haven't that status for extremely minor reasons, so on maps and on signs you think they are second-class-roads. Meanwhile, in Sweden the mentioned roads without proper exit lanes and narrow 2+2-roads with a quite not-decent central barriers are motorways.

Btw, Ring III is now 5+4 between Tuusula motorway and the Airport motorway (the latter one also being a motorway but not classified as one).
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What really is confusing is Finnish motorway-status-system. Example: Ring III or Road 6 Lappeenranta-Imatra are good motorwaya, but they haven't that status for extremely minor reasons, so on maps and on signs you think they are second-class-roads. Meanwhile, in Sweden the mentioned roads without proper exit lanes and narrow 2+2-roads with a quite not-decent central barriers are motorways.

Btw, Ring III is now 5+4 between Tuusula motorway and the Airport motorway (the latter one also being a motorway but not classified as one).
I am quite sure that the differences in the classification criteria across countries confuses nobody.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 06:46 PM   #643
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I am quite sure that the differences in the classification criteria across countries confuses nobody.
Anyways, Finnish criteria is just ridiculous.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 10:04 AM   #644
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Anyways, Finnish criteria is just ridiculous.
Because you have a fetish for green road signs. I don't think anyone else cares.
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Because you have a fetish for green road signs. I don't think anyone else cares.
WTF
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Old September 4th, 2015, 09:19 PM   #646
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I think he meant green signs don't mean anything in practice.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 10:31 PM   #647
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I think he meant green signs don't mean anything in practice.

But the blue signs here can mean anything between a gravel-paved one-laned forest road and a 4+4-freeway.
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But the blue signs here can mean anything between a gravel-paved one-laned forest road and a 4+4-freeway.
Blue signs also have road numbers on them. And the road numbers' background colour is an indication of the road class:

red: primary road (roads 1 to 39)
yellow: secondary road (roads 40 to 99)
white: regional road (roads 100-999)
blue: ordinary road (roads 1000-9999)

Even more importantly, people use navigator apps nowadays when they're not familiar with the road network. And those apps are usually pretty good at choosing the best possible roads.

When you consider these two things, the 'motorway' classification with green background colour for signs is entirely unnecessary.
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Old September 4th, 2015, 11:01 PM   #649
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Anyways, Finnish criteria is just ridiculous.
What I like about Finnish criteria is that Finnish motorway/expressway sign just restricts non-motor and slow vehicles from using the road, while in Lithuania it's generally a speed limit sign. it's comparably common to see pedestrians, bycyles, even agricultural vehicles on the motorway. Lack of other roads, overpasses and underpasses should not give to some of those roads such status. 110 km/h, 120 km/h sign would be enough.

It's just Soviet motorways and they are generally substandard (substandard stretches: Kaunas-Grabuciškės, near Strošiūnai, Vievis-Vilnius, Kaunas-Ariogala, some kilometers near Dauparai, Krikštėnai-Ukmergė-Panevėžys)

Estonia: no motorway sign - no problem

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Old September 5th, 2015, 10:32 PM   #650
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Primar roads can also be either motorways or small 1-laned roads without the divider marking with blue signs.

Good news: Lahti southern by-pass motorway will most certainly be approved by the government 8-10.9 and construction would start in 2017.
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Old September 24th, 2015, 03:25 PM   #651
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E18 Kotka

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E18 Kotkan erillishanke 9/2015 by Liikennevirasto, on Flickr


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Old September 25th, 2015, 08:11 AM   #652
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Aerial photos of E18 in Kotka.


E18 Kotkan erillishanke 9/2015 by Liikennevirasto, on Flickr
This project is about modernizing the old motorway section through Karhula. It was complete in 1971. The motorway standards in that era were not on the same level as today, and a few rather weird design points were seen. The road was built through the center of the suburb of Karhula. Locals begun to call the road 'Karhula Canyon'.

The picture above shows the modernized exit #75 Jumalniemi. This is what it looked earlier:



Two ramps only, and they were connected to side roads instead of the secondary road.

In those early times, some exits needing complex arrangements got rather an odd shape. The exit #74 Kyminlinna ranks #2 in my Top5 list if the weirdest exist in Finland:

http://teilla.blogspot.fi/2013/07/er...mia-top-5.html

I am sorry, in Finnish only. That exit faced several improvements, too. This is what is looked earlier:


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Old September 26th, 2015, 10:08 PM   #653
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http://www.vantaansanomat.fi/artikke...a-40-miljoonaa

The two projects of the second phase of the Ring III actualizing (Interchange with the Airport Expressway and completing the expressway, 5+4 lanes between Tuusula motorway and the Airport Expressway, 3+3 lanes between 4/E75 and 7/E18 with a new interchange and a total reconstruction of the 7/E18-interchange) will be completely ready next month, a whole year ahead schedule. Almost everything is already in use, the only thing that we will still remain waiting is the southern ramp on 7/E18 with a new road between the Fazer industrial area and the Länsimäki suburb. This has saved 40 millions €, so I believe it will hurry up the third phase (3+3/4+4 between a bit West from Vihti road to the Airport Expressway)

Man, the 5+4 section between two gorgeus interchanges feels like mini-Houston or something to drive

That Kotka project makes 7/E18 a 1+2+2+1/2+2+2+2-road between the city's main access (which will also be upgraded to a complete expressway some day in the future) and Karhula suburb, which used actually to be it's own city until the 70's. Still, a Helsinki-direction ramp should definitely be built from the Kotka main access. Strange that it hasn't been done yet.

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http://www.kaupunginosat.net/kapyla/...silanvayla.pdf

"By 2025-2045 when it's needed" (typical bureaucrat from Helsinki that doesn't move East from Kallio or North from Töölö!

Anyways, this is the project of building the two tunnels to complete the "Ring 0", which's central part was completed in 2006 from 3/E12 to Mäkelänkatu (start of Road 45). Tuusula motorway (45) will have a new alignment along the railway to Pasila. How the heck are they gonna handle all the traffic coming to Veturitie and then stopping on Nordenskjöld's Street? I think it is an astute idea of the planners to prove that the from-1918-planned "Liberty Street" (access along ugly railway from Pasila to Helsinki with not built land at all, 100 m wide but Greens accept that...) and the Central Tunnel are needed. They say that the Eastern part will be built later but the Western quite soon, but I think that it won't last long until traffic will demand also the Eastern part. Of course, it demands highly both by now already... With the East tunnel (and a new access from the North, motorway-standard to Hermanni Coastal Avenue (directly to the planned Hermanni tunnel, so traffic will be non-stop up to Sörnäinen and from there to Espoo and forwards when they approve finally as a fact of need the Central tunnel), and 4/7/E75 will have a 4+4/5+4/2+4+4+2- layout from the tunnel's end to the actual start of 7.

MattiG, Kehä I/Tuusula Motorway-junction should be on the list!
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E18 Koskenkylä - Hamina

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Nice. This bare rock breaks the monotony of otherwise flat forested landscape.
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The first (and longest) phase of the Seinäjoki Bypass opened to traffic in the night from 17 to 18 November. It appears to be a 2+1 road. It is part of highway 19.


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Äänekoski by-pass is under costruction, with 4 Kms of express(motor)way. Part of the future upgrade of the extremely low-standard Äänekoski-Jyväskylä section with 1+1 lanes and 10 000 - 25 000 AADT to full motorway standards. Sort of a suprise project which is related to some industrial devepelopement in the area.
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Äänekoski by-pass is under costruction, with 4 Kms of express(motor)way. Part of the future upgrade of the extremely low-standard Äänekoski-Jyväskylä section with 1+1 lanes and 10 000 - 25 000 AADT to full motorway standards. Sort of a suprise project which is related to some industrial devepelopement in the area.
It is not 'some industrial development' but a 1200 million euro investment to the new bioproduct mill. It is the biggest investment the Finnish forest industry ever has made.

http://bioproductmill.com/

In addition to the road works, the railway from Jyväskylä to Äänekoski will be upgraded.

A similar project is ongoing in Riihimäki: A new exit 18 is under construction on the road 3/E12 to provide the new food factory of Valio with a direct motorway access. The government, the city of Riihimäki and Valio each pay on third of the construction cost. It is the first case in Finland where a private-owned company pays a part of road construction on motorways.
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The first (and longest) phase of the Seinäjoki Bypass opened to traffic in the night from 17 to 18 November. It appears to be a 2+1 road. It is part of highway 19.
This was one of the last remaining places where a main road (number less than 100) entered streets of a non-minor town (elsewhere than at the endpoints). The previous important one is the Hamina bypass on 7/E18, which was opened less than a year ago.

After the bottleneck of Vaajakoski on 4/9/13/23/E63/E75 east of Jyväskylä gets solved, the network will be about complete. Then the focus of future investments will probably be improving the existing corridors.

There are certain regional newbuilds in the pipeline, such as completing the Ring 2 of Helsinki, as well as building the Ring 4 of Helsinki (which will not be a complete half ring). I do not believe that they will be complete within next 15 years.

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