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Old January 16th, 2016, 01:28 PM   #681
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21/E8 Skibotn-Tornio

The E8 is a 1400-kilometer route between Turku in the southwest Finland and Tromsø in the northwest Norway. The 500-kilometer section in the north runs from coast to coast: from Tornio at the north end of Gulf of Bothnia to Skibotn at Lyngenfjorden of the Arctic Sea.

Starting from Norway, the road climbs to the water divider in 35 kilometers, close to the Finland-Norway-Sweden tripoint. The Finnish-Norwegian border lies close to the village of Kilpisjärvi, which is one of most distant villages in Finland; population about 100. The Lake Kilpisjärvi, altitude 473, is rather big: 37 sqkm, and the west one third of the lake is situated in Sweden.

From Kilpisjärvi, after climbing the altitude on 566 meters, the road begins its slow descent of 440 kilometers back to the sea level.

The road follows the rivers which are the border of Finland and Sweden. There is the northernmost village of Sweden at the border about 10 kilometers south of Kilpisjärvi: Keinovuopio, population 6. The village has a road access from Finland only.

This footage covers the 155 kilometer section Skibotn-Palojoensuu of this road across arctic areas:

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Old January 17th, 2016, 01:22 AM   #682
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I've wondered for some time, why is Kilpisjärvi chosen as a control destination on E8. Sure, it's the end of Finland on this side, but besides that there isn't really much, even the population is around 100. There isn't even a single road fork towards anywhere beyond the village itself. (Also there isn't any sign on the Finnish side pointing towards Tromsø or anything; after arriving to Kilpisjärvi from south there simply aren't any destinations shown anymore, the road just goes on for some km, until crossing to Norway after which Tromsø is shown.)

A more reasonable choice would be Muonio, which is the first municipal centre en route, with also a road fork towards Rovaniemi. If not simply Tornio.

For comparison: E75 has Ivalo as a control destination all the way from Vardø; E10, E12 and E14 have destinations all across the Scandinavian peninsula, namely Luleå, Umeå and Sundsvall respectively.
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Old January 17th, 2016, 12:17 PM   #683
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I've wondered for some time, why is Kilpisjärvi chosen as a control destination on E8. Sure, it's the end of Finland on this side, but besides that there isn't really much, even the population is around 100. There isn't even a single road fork towards anywhere beyond the village itself. (Also there isn't any sign on the Finnish side pointing towards Tromsø or anything; after arriving to Kilpisjärvi from south there simply aren't any destinations shown anymore, the road just goes on for some km, until crossing to Norway after which Tromsø is shown.)

A more reasonable choice would be Muonio, which is the first municipal centre en route, with also a road fork towards Rovaniemi. If not simply Tornio.

For comparison: E75 has Ivalo as a control destination all the way from Vardø; E10, E12 and E14 have destinations all across the Scandinavian peninsula, namely Luleå, Umeå and Sundsvall respectively.
There is Kilpishalli: The most important food shop for those ones living in the northern Norway. :-)
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Old February 15th, 2016, 10:41 AM   #684
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Road tolls in Helsinki

The Motorists of Helsinki will pay more than 300 euros a year for tolls

If the roadtoll in Helsinki will be introduced, it will hurts the motorist's wallet with an average of 340 euros a year, according to the Helsinki Regional Transport Authority (HSL ).

The design of the payment system is not yet decided, but the HSL report has a review of five different models.

The zone in the port-area has a model of alternative fees which vary depending on where the motorist travels. Inner city driving would cost 80 cents. During peak times prices would double.
The HSL report says that the toll system will save 10% of innercity travel time.

Meanwhile, car emissions will be reduced by 5%. Fees would be charged for about 40 % of drivers in the morning rush hours.
The tolls collected will generate 80 million euros. However, the HSL estimates that the future toll system wouldn't be completely unproblematic. One problem may arise from the fact that the payments affect different regions in very different ways.

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The Motorists of Helsinki will pay more than 300 euros a year for tolls
Well...

First of all. Nothing is decided. HSL has sent its proposal to the public, rather unexpectedly.

HSL is a similar organization to SL in Stockholm: It arranges the public transport, but the rolling stock is operated by contractors. Planning for financing is beyond its scope.

The basic setup in the Helsinki region is rather similar to Stockholm where the subsidies are about 50% of the total income. In the city of Helsinki, the rate is about 50% and 40% in the region.

The difference of the proposal is huge: The proposed area of Helsinki toll ring is about 30 times the current size of the toll ring of Stockholm. The "congestion charge" would be extended to areas where no congestion has ever been seen.

No analysis for the hidden demand has been shown. Thus, there is no evidence that this proposed new tax would have any major positive impact to the behavior of people.

The motivation behind the proposal is money: The current basis of the financing of the public transport is about to collapse: As the tickets are heavily subsidized, any growth will create more cost than income. The municipalities are against increasing the subsidy rates. Beginning of this yeas, the ticket prices increased by about 5% while the inflation is virtually zero. The price tag increase for year 2017 is about 12%.

Nobody believes that the new tax would be 300+ euro only. I am quite sure that after five years, it would raise to at least 800 euros.
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Old February 15th, 2016, 06:16 PM   #686
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While Stockholm puts lots of money in regional traffic, and both subway system and motorways, HSL is controlled by radical Greens who are (if to believe HSL diverse plans and speeches) a city where everything but cyclism, walking and trams and everyone's traffic needs except for those living in the city center is totally neglected, with now 4 municipalities and the Finnish State widely protesting but as we say here, to ears not listening.

The result of this is that Helsinki city center located on an isolated sharp cape will become a sleeping-area with all services losing major quantities of money moving to Kehä III. This is planned along with motorway-destruction. If even inner-city-traffic will cost, well that's just crazy. Now their are building a bridge with 200 millions e just for cyclists and trams to Laajasalo, with the population of the suburb rising double but express tunnel from the Eastern Access Expressway to the existing Laajasalo Expressway being de facto cancelled and both of the mentioned expressways with reduced capacity and downgraded to streets. Eastern Expressway has 40 000-60 000 ADT. With constant car jams (traffic lights every 50 meters because of all overpasses being removed) mean a huge ammount of pollution. This areas don't even belong to the city center, and the firstly mentioned road is a major artery connecting the center with Itäkeskus. Local population is not asked. Sad. Communism didn't use to be a major force in Helsinki... If we even had decent subway system, but no, only small trams stopping every 500 ms are planned.

The motivation of all this is the odd car-nazism that has reigned in Helsinki since the last 10 years. Hope it will stop... I mean, this Green guys with long hair and beard and giant glasses controlling whole city planning organs are just comical, but their actions are frightening.
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Old February 15th, 2016, 06:43 PM   #687
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Btw, Kehä III wrom 1130 to 1/E18 is 25 000 ADT and soon predicted even up to 50 000, and from 51 to 1130 10 000-18 000. For the first section there are quite advanced plans for the 2020's, and I believe the second half will also be included.

More urgent is though the upgrading to 2x3 Espoo border-Airport (should had started this year, we'll see), and the upgrade from 1/E18 to the border (these ridiculous borders play an important role in road planning even in Finland...)
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€ 300 per year is only about € 0.65 per one-way commute trip (less if you calculate other types of trips). I don't think this will have any notable traffic-reducing effect, especially because there apparently won't be an option to avoid it by taking alternate routes.

With congestion charges you usually see a traffic reducing trend in the first few months or year, but the situation returns to normalcy after people finding out that taking other routes, other timetables or public transport isn't worth the hassle. With smaller congestion charge zones you can see a diversion of traffic around the tolled area, which may lead to more traveled kilometers as people avoid the tolled zone (like in London). With a very large tolled zone, such as apparently proposed in Helsinki, or the canceled mileage tax in the Netherlands the effect is less because you can't avoid it.

They wanted to introduce a congestion charge in Copenhagen, but it was canceled / postponed after concluding that there wasn't that much congestion to warrant a congestion charge. Based on travel time index Copenhagen didn't even had the worst congestion in Denmark (Aarhus was first).

The price-elasticity of driving is often overestimated. Driving is a basic need for most to get to where they want to go in a quick and efficient manner. Most people are already using public transport if it is a viable option. However for the majority of car trips, the travel time difference with public transport is just too big for it to be a reasonable alternative. In fact, availability and the cost of parking is often a bigger motivation to use public transport than travel time.
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Old February 15th, 2016, 09:35 PM   #689
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€ 300 per year is only about € 0.65 per one-way commute trip (less if you calculate other types of trips). I don't think this will have any notable traffic-reducing effect, especially because there apparently won't be an option to avoid it by taking alternate routes.
True. The public transport in the Helsinki area is rather radial-oriented, even if the number of cross-city routes have been improved last years. That makes many routes just non-attractive for public transport use. The key selection criteria is time, not money.

The commuting time to my office is some 20-25 minutes from my parking lot to the parking hall. The same trip takes at least 50 minutes on a bus-train or bus-bus-connection, typically 55-65 minutes. There are areas in the metropolitan area beyond 90 minutes of travel time to the location of my office (which, BTW, is rather easily to be accessed by several bus lines and main roads). If the same trip can be made in 90 minutes by public transport and by car in 30 minutes, the choice is quite evident.
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The problem of Helsinki Region's traffic planning is that it is planned by people who only move from one neighborhood of the city center to another and return - of course for them trams and bicycles are ok.

But the alliance that especially the National Coalition Party (supposedly a pro-car center-right force) has made like licking their ass, very oddly, with the Greens, gives us the fact that these people think that everybody are superhumans that will move by bicycle 30 Kms to Helsinki to their work, and that's an utopia. The result is that all companies and industry, even services will move from the bicycle-paradise to Kehä I and Kehä III, already congested routes, where people can reach them easily, because this coalition led by the Greens despite not being the leading force in Helsinki but yes in the Traffic Department, unique in the whole world I believe, is opposed even against a subway system - now they want to build trams leading to the Airport! A year ago the Department before being "taken" wanted a subway there. The worst is that the tram is not a "High-speed-tram" like the ones in smaller cities in Europe, but one with pedestrian and automobile crossings at-level every 100 meters, so it would take more than an hour or like two hours to get to the center. Luckily they had the time to build the subway-train-ring-system to the Airport, because Greens are a minor force in all of the municipalites surrounding Helsinki, and that was a project lobbed by Vantaa.

Meanwhile, any highway project is blocked unanimously by NCP and Greens (most lately, the Central Tunnel and a bridge from the extremely congested Western Harbor to the Western Access Motorway), and they plan to reduce the capacity of every road leading to Helsinki to 2x2 (1 lane being only for buses) and capacity adding on main roads, with costs of just max 20 millions and needed urgently, are moved to 2040 although they have been needed since the 90's. A Green delegation should look at the map of Amsterdam; yes, it has their idyllic car-free center; which is surrounded by a huge network of wide motorways. It seems like their only aspiration is blocking automobile traffic - a main central street will be closed entirely next year. So basically, HSL thinks that the solution for traffic problems created mainly because no single reparation has been made on main routes built in 1957-1973 about has been made, is just bicycles and small 30's technique trams in a region of 1,5 millions people of population!

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And Btw, no single announce of new road projects for the whole estimated duration of the government (four years) has been made, even that private companies have made a proposition of creating a "bank" for infrastructure problems. Government's attitude is stupid, thus last very deep recession huge investments on infrastructure were maid for the surpass of unemployment and because infrastructure pays itself back.
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They wanted to introduce a congestion charge in Copenhagen, but it was canceled / postponed after concluding that there wasn't that much congestion to warrant a congestion charge. Based on travel time index Copenhagen didn't even had the worst congestion in Denmark (Aarhus was first).
It wasn't the level/amount of congestion that was the reason for cancelling (and it is cancelled not postponed) the congestion charge ("Betalingsringen") in Copenhagen. It was proposed by the former red-green government, and primarily initiated and promoted by the green'ish SF - junior partner in the government. But the proposal became highly unpopular, especially in municipalities around Copenhagen, governed by Social Democratic mayors (the largest party in the then governmant), as they saw traffic models predicting that the overall level of congestion would only be slightly reduced , but causing very negative effect on those municipalities and their citizens. (high cost for commuters and people driving extra km in order to avoid being tolled).

The issue of congestion charges in Danish cities is completely dead, and no one wants to bring it up again. It has never been an issue in other cities than Copenhagen. There is however still a debate on a shift from the current system of registration tax to a general road user charge, but most politicians are very reluctant to bring it up because of the "Betalingsring" case, and continues to high-light that Denmarks should not be a first mover on this issue.
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Congestion charges are just an extra burden on households, and it ties some of the regional GDP up in taxes instead of into the economy. It results in less discretionary income. Congestion is just used as an excuse to introduce yet another tax on motorists.

In very large urban areas (population 3+ million) with severe spatial constraints variable tolling can be an option to manage congestion. It's not feasible to entirely eliminate congestion with expansion projects, nor can tolling eliminate all congestion, but it could be managed better as a last-resort option. However, politicians often seems to think that increasing the tax burden is the first and best option... Especially with those tax zones you cannot reasonably avoid like in Göteborg or this proposal in Helsinki.

Everybody complains about congestion, but I think most motorists rather accept some degree of congestion instead of paying a lot of taxes while experiencing only minimal improvements in traffic flow.
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The Kehä III (Ring 3) / Lentoasemantie (Airport Road) interchange in Helsinki. It was recently reconstructed from a partial cloverleaf to a free-flow interchange for the main traffic flows.

The photos were taken in November 2015.


Kehä III:n parannushanke, 2.vaihe Lentoasemantien alue ilmakuvat 11/2015 by Liikennevirasto, on Flickr


Kehä III:n parannushanke, 2.vaihe Lentoasemantien alue ilmakuvat 11/2015 by Liikennevirasto, on Flickr


Kehä III:n parannushanke, 2.vaihe Lentoasemantien alue ilmakuvat 11/2015 by Liikennevirasto, on Flickr
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Old February 19th, 2016, 09:26 AM   #695
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Everybody complains about congestion, but I think most motorists rather accept some degree of congestion instead of paying a lot of taxes while experiencing only minimal improvements in traffic flow.
Helsinki is not severely congested. It ranks #65 among 103 European cities in the TomTom Congestion Index of 2014.

The inner city, of course, is problematic one, because it is surrounded by the sea in the west, south and east. An interesting fact is that the number vehicles entering the inner city has been rather flat since the beginning of the 1970's. But despite of bus lanes, traffic light priorities, etc, the average speed of the public transportation has decreased a lot. Thus, there is something severely rotten in the traffic planning.

The most congested spots are the radial main roads, and the Ring 1. Of course, there are intersections were the demand exceeds the capacity, too, because the city is funnel-shaped. Still, the rush hours are rather short: the duration of the main peaks typically are less than one hour.

The metropolitan area is growing, as the people move from provinces to the Helsinki area. The implication is interesting: The radial motorways tend to be congested during the afternoon rush hours in the outbound direction.
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Motorway 1/E18 closed because of robbery attempt

Today morning at 0840, a gang of 5-6 persons attempted a robbery of an armored van of the company G4S on the motorway 1/E18 in Suomusjärvi. According to police, it seems that the robbery failed. The robbers shooted with machine guns and threatened the driver with a bomb. One of the cars was burnt to halt the traffic. At least some of the robbers spoke Finnish.

The bomb group of the police is there to clear the case. The eastbound lanes bound for Helsinki are closed until further notice.



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Today morning at 0840, a gang of 5-6 persons attempted a robbery of an armored van of the company G4S on the motorway 1/E18 in Suomusjärvi. According to police, it seems that the robbery failed. The robbers shooted with machine guns and threatened the driver with a bomb. One of the cars was burnt to halt the traffic. At least some of the robbers spoke Finnish.

The bomb group of the police is there to clear the case. The eastbound lanes bound for Helsinki are closed until further notice.



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Hehe I hope those robbers failed and that they learned their lesson

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According to unconfirmed information, the robbers managed to open the doors of the van but failed to get access to the money compartment.

Some interesting facts have been make public:

- The place https://goo.gl/maps/nBK1XrJa9r62 was carefully selected: The escape route led to the backyard of a large service area nearby. The next cars were waiting behind a barrier separating the service area from the local roads leading to the old road 1/E18. It took a few minutes to the police to get through the barrier.

- One of the abandoned cars was rented by an older lady of 60+ in a fur last week.

- There is a weather camera visible to internet a few hundred meters from the place of the event. It got damaged just before the event.

- No traces about shooting with machine guns have been found. Handguns have been used.

There has been a lot of speculation around the case. Someone speculates this was not a real attempt but an action to get more understanding about the security measures. Perhaps some of the robbers shooted photos about the interior of the van.
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Hope that in April, when new projects will come public, the (for now) final upgrade of Kehä III will be on the list as it should (3+3-4+4 and upgrading junctions between the Airport Expressway and Road 120, which is quite a long section).

http://urbanmill.org/2016/01/15/keha...klo-18-gtklla/

Kehä I upgrading (and the constructions of two towers of 32 and 36 stories) started at it's end in Tapiola/Keilaniemi (Espoo) with 220 meters of tunnel and 2 new interchanges - they don't apply Green politics Though 2 month old, nobody seem to have posted this here.

Later in 2018 they will start constructing the second part of the tunnel will be started in somewhere 2018, as also the new interchange with the main access to Tapiola (Kalevalantie) and two more towers of 36 (?) and 42 stories. By 2020-2022 they plan to built a tunnel under Otaniemi and build the final 2 interchanges that miss between Tapiola and Leppävaara, thus replacing the traffic lights and making Kehä I nearly fully expressway-standard (Eastern Helsinki is still waiting, but Myllypuro and Kontula interchanges are planned to be started by 2018 or so).

At the top of the old alignment over the tunnels a 2x2-layout boulevard and a lot of housing will be built (Espoo). Kehä I's layout in Espoo is and will be 3x3, so it will be in eastern Helsinki.

Then it takes just built the very expensive Itäkeskus interchange at Kehä I's end in eastern Helsinki and upgrade to 3x3 the very congested section between Road 45 and Road E18/E75/4/5/6/7. There are not official plans for this, but it will be inevitable with ADT near 100 000 at some sections on a 2x2 layout.

In the future (Helsinki's "future" is loooooong :/ ) the section between Road E12/3 and 45 will be upgraded to 4x4 fully.

By the way, the new section of Kehä III between Airport Expressway/135 and 45 makes it the widest expressway/motorway section in Finland (if not counting those with parallel ramps) being 5+4.

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Still, the only agreed projects are the ongoing upgrades on the Ring 1: The tunneling at the west end, and the third lanes between Leppävaara and Konala (road 120). The latter one includes some minor adjustments to the northbound ramps of the junction at 3/E12.

The blog entries with maps (sorry guys, a nice opportunity to learn Finnish):

http://teilla.blogspot.fi/2016/02/samppanjasapeli.html

http://teilla.blogspot.fi/2015/12/ra...istorataa.html
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