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Old November 4th, 2007, 12:49 AM   #41
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As for Detroit - I live in an industrial city that's got poor reputation too, that in fact is great place to live in, so I'm not fond to stereotypes. But what I've seen in this thread is a bit depressing. The quality of architecture is poor. Boring and/or simlpy ugly tenements or houses allaround the place. Lacks in architectural order. Looks like there was only one factor determining their shape and outfit - low cost. Just like with commieblocks in EE. Typical european architecture is far better. Still I'd like to see more of Motor City, belive it's interesting. This morning I read an article about Detroit's downtown, new casinos and hotels in polish newspaper - perhaps some photos of them??
The neighborhood is a working class neighborhood. If you want more significant architecture then here you go:
























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Old November 4th, 2007, 01:32 AM   #42
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Hudkina,

What's your secret for photographing the single family neighborhoods? I took my bike through Palmer Woods today only to be stopped by the cops. I understand she was patrolling for obvious reasons, but there's just something about pointing a camera at someone's house that crosses the line, so to speak. It was unfortunate, because I pointed my camera at a house just as an old lady was passing me in her car. She looked absolutely spooked, and wouldn't even look out her window at me. Of course, I didn't realize it, but the cop car was behind me the whole time, so she wondered why I was "taking pictures of these peoples' houses". I was like, architecture. Plain and simple. She was like, ok, it's just that that lady was paranoid. I said I understand, but for crying out loud...they got to expect that every now and then.
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Old November 4th, 2007, 03:28 AM   #43
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When I do the neighborhood tours I usually do them from within my car because it is easier to cover more ground. I'll just drive through and slow down just enough to snap a picture. I usually drive about 15-20 MPH through the neighborhood streets and since the traffic is generally light on side streets I rarely get people behind me. If I do, I usually turn a corner or something. I don't think people even notice me taking pictures, especially because I try to avoid taking pictures of people directly.

Granted, when it comes to the neighborhoods in the greater downtown area, I prefer to walk around because its easier than trying to navigate the streets by car. But even then I try to avoid taking pictures of people because it does sort of feel wierd.
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Old November 4th, 2007, 03:47 AM   #44
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What they've done to Detroit is a sin: replacing Art Deco GEMS with surface parking lots counts as a CRIME in my books. It has gone from a SHOWCASE US city (if anyone doesn't believe me, look at the pics from the 40s) to endless sprawl, and continuous interruptions to street wall in the commercial district. CRIME, CRIME, a thousand times a CRIME! And yet... what has remained is still breathtaking!

I'm not a huge fan of that infill though!

The actual 'criminality' situation of Detroit seems like the wrong thing to be known for... Why not pick on New Orleans, or Philly? Yes, Detroit IS dangerous (experienced the shady side in person), but it's not a reason to cast stones at it.
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Old November 4th, 2007, 03:50 AM   #45
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What incredible houses! How much are they?
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Old November 4th, 2007, 05:18 AM   #46
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I would say just about every single one of those houses could be had for less than $500,000. (assuming you're talking about the pictures posted a few posts above this...)

BTW, Detroit has a larger percentage of its early 20th century downtown architecture than Toronto. So if you want to blasts cities for tearing down their classic architecture (and just about every city in north america went through that phase) look no further than you're own downtown.

Detroit's CBD:
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Toronto's CBD:
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(I only see a few historic skyscrapers in that Toronto picture.)

Sure Toronto was lucky enough to have newer buildings replace some of the older architecture, but don't think that Toronto didn't tear down a hell of a lot of beautiful historic structures to make way for those glass and steel towers.
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Old November 4th, 2007, 07:40 AM   #47
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Thanx for sharing them
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Old November 4th, 2007, 10:03 AM   #48
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I would say just about every single one of those houses could be had for less than $500,000. (assuming you're talking about the pictures posted a few posts above this...)

BTW, Detroit has a larger percentage of its early 20th century downtown architecture than Toronto. So if you want to blasts cities for tearing down their classic architecture (and just about every city in north america went through that phase) look no further than you're own downtown.

Sure Toronto was lucky enough to have newer buildings replace some of the older architecture, but don't think that Toronto didn't tear down a hell of a lot of beautiful historic structures to make way for those glass and steel towers.
I've never claimed that Toronto did not tear down structures, and it's a strange direction to take this thread in.

#1: There is a large height differential between the two pics (and the two cities for that matter!); most of the old stuff isn't going to show from the CN Tower...

#2: I too would argue that has Detroit has a larger percentage of downtown high-rise early 20th century architecture than Toronto; in the case of Toronto, what was torn down were mostly low-rises and mid-rises; it is certainly a shame. However, very few high rises were torn down; the only ones I can think of are the Toronto Star building, Ford, and National buildings. There may be a tiny handful more, in the last 100 years...

Detroit was definitely ahead; at 1.5 million in 1930s (after a roughly equal population at the turn of the century), it had much more substantial early 20th century architecture than Toronto. We've done a good job here of preserving our Victorian and Edwardian heritage in recent years, but we never did have as much in terms of 1900-1940 grand skyscrapers (it's unfortunate, but true); what we DO have generally still stands.

I think it's fair to say that Detroit has suffered (and continues to suffer) much worse than most other cities in terms of criminal destruction of its Art Deco gems. It wasn't meant as flame bait, and what is there is still impressive. But surely, it should be infuriating to anyone who knows the city at least A BIT to know that many now interrupted streets used to have a continuous street wall of these beauts, or worse, that destruction still occurs.
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Old November 4th, 2007, 10:55 PM   #49
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What they've done to Detroit is a sin...
You need to define who "they" is to make any sense of your comment. As a Detroit resident, I can assure you, you were not referring to me personally. Or were you?

Also what is criminal destruction? Nobody likes to see our irreplaceable infrastructure disappear forever, but the pure economics of some situations demands that there will be ruins. Likewise, there is NO economic identity, in city hall for example, that proactively designs a formula to demolish valuable architecture. If there was such a thing, then maybe you would have some substance to your argument about someone in particular being at fault.

Another example would be from a pro sprawl argument and blaming the people of the greenfields for not building on the farmland yet. The economics are not there to demand it.
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Old November 5th, 2007, 01:44 AM   #50
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I'm just curious to know how many pre-war "skyscrapers" you think have been demolished over the years... It seems to be that you think quite a few of them have been torn down. While the city has lost a dozen or so pre-war buildings in the 10-14 story range over the years, and countless buildings of only a few stories, only four buildings have been demolished that were taller than 14 stories.

1. Hudson's Building - 29 floors- Demolished in 1998, replaced by an underground parking deck with footings for a future tower at street level. The city is marketing this site as a possible mid-rise mixed use project.

2. Cadillac Square Building - 20 floors - Demolished in 1976, replaced by an empty lot currently used for parking.

3. Statler Hotel - 18 floors - Demolished in 2005, replaced by an empty lot. Rumor has it that Quicken Loans (currently headquartered in suburban Detroit) may possibly build their new world headquarters on the site at some point in the future. The current mortgage crisis has dampened the situation, but the chances are still good that if the company builds a new headquarters it will be in Detroit.

4. Wolverine Hotel - 17 floors - Demolished in 1997 to make way for Comerica Park.

5. Pontchartrain Hotel - 15 floors - Demolished in 1920 to make way for the larger First National Building (1922).


Just like in Toronto, the majority of the stuff demolished over the years was smaller Victorian era buildings.
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Old November 5th, 2007, 05:08 AM   #51
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This photo thread is certainly a symbol of the rise and decline of the great rust-belt cities in America. A shame really, but it also shows some areas of the city of Detroit (and other cities in America) are liveable and they still have their good parts, like you once again have shown in your pictures here.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 06:40 AM   #52
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Hi guys

I 'm wondering, if there is any shuttle bus from downtown Detroit to DTW?
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Yes, you can take the SMART bus.
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Old November 6th, 2007, 07:27 AM   #54
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Great pics Hudkina!! i really love the old residential neighbourhoods of US cities... Each house was different from the other, not like now ...

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Old November 6th, 2007, 07:36 AM   #55
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nice. worth a visit for sure
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Old December 17th, 2007, 12:49 AM   #56
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I just thought it would be fun to bring this back...
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What a nice shot. Where did you take it from ? Somewhere in Midtown I suppose, but there aren't many tall buildings there.
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Old December 17th, 2007, 05:33 AM   #58
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Isnt Detroit where all the Arabs live? Also, Detroit is so the all-American city as is Chicago. Illinois and Michigan just remind me of the "real" America every time I go there.
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Old December 17th, 2007, 09:37 AM   #59
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What a nice shot. Where did you take it from ? Somewhere in Midtown I suppose, but there aren't many tall buildings there.
That shot was actually taken by Hayward, another forumer on this website.

This thread is where you can find this and quite a few more pictures that he's taken of the city. This one I believe was taken from a helicopter.

Also, Dearborn (a streetcar suburb just outside of the city limits) is actually the epicenter of Middle Eastern culture in Detroit. There is somewhat of a spill-over in the Warrendale neighborhood in the city. The city is actually a majority-black city. (over 80% of the city is black) The only area of the city that isn't mostly black is Southwest Detroit, which is mostly hiispanic. Detroit's white population (which is the majority in the region) lives just outside the city limits in the wealthier suburban areas.

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Old December 17th, 2007, 10:54 AM   #60
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Detroit's white population (which is the majority in the region) lives just outside the city limits in the wealthier suburban areas.
" Let's be honest about It! " This is the, main, reason Why Detroit AND some Other cities experience so much, unfair, criticism. Not, because of Their " architecture " . We've, ALL, heard the old saying.... " Perception is Reality! " Racial fears and the national media hurt Detroit's cause by, endlessly, magnifying Detroit crime statistics and alleged " violent " image (ex: car-jackings, murders, rapes, arsons, etc.) to Such levels that, most, Whites fear Detroit. " White Flight " fosters a negative image of the semi-abandoned central city, largely inhabited by non-whites, until It's reclaimed by Them again... mainly through, gradual or mass, re-gentrification.

" God Bless You, Detroit! " You may NEVER, however, overcome That perception.
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