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Old October 28th, 2007, 02:10 AM   #21
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I'm sure Hartford would rank low on that list, a lot of our highways planned were canceled.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 01:12 PM   #22
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Hartford is actually one of the highest, if not the highest, with 4.206 inhabitants per kilometer.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 01:47 PM   #23
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Don't understand why Copenhagen is that high on the list - the highst European city...
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Old October 28th, 2007, 01:57 PM   #24
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The suburban area is counted, not only city proper.

I didn't count far away commuter towns, but i did count those who are in the build-up area of the main city. So Søllerød, Ballerup, Greve and Køge are counted, but not Helsingborg, Holbæk or Hillerød.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 03:00 PM   #25
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Public transportation has only a high ridership in very dense cities, like Paris, New York or Tokyo. Not in 100.000 - 500.000 cities.

The only real efficient public transportation is the subway in my opinion. Fast, reliable and always on time due to the 5 - 10 minute intervals. However, subways are too expensive to build in cities with less than 1 million in the metropolitan area.
But how could they do it in Oslo then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_metro . And Oslo's metro population is only around 700 000 people.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 03:01 PM   #26
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I only counted US 1 million+ agglomerations, and some European ones to compare.

But i could see what Oslo has
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Old October 28th, 2007, 03:10 PM   #27
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Oslo has 109km of expressway in the greater Oslo region (Asker - Oslo - Oppegard - Lillestrøm). On a agglomeration of 839.423 makes it 7.701 inhabitants per km.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 03:19 PM   #28
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To compare: Greater Stockholm has 1.9 million inhabitants and 146 km of expressway/motorway, making 13.238 inhabitants per km. Almost twice as Oslo's.

For the record; Oslo, Stockholm & Copenhagen have a very american style of suburban sprawl.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 03:26 PM   #29
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We have 250,000 inh. ÷ 40 km = 6,250 inh./km.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 03:43 PM   #30
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Some estimates from downunder.
Arguably the most Americanised part of the world outside North America. Good for a comparison.

Sydney 20800
Melbourne 15350
Brisbane 12900
Perth 17500
Auckland 12200
Adelaide 45000

Btw. The above stats are only for freeways. Expressways havent been included.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 03:44 PM   #31
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I think Ljubljana is a bit too small to compare properly.

Coastal cities are often lower in the list, because it is hard to make a good beltway in coastal areas, those beltways are a considerable length of the total freeway system.

London, for instance, would drop from 18.261 per km to 29.229 if the orbital isn't counted. Berlin would drop from 16.358 per km to 48.431 if the Berliner Ring isn't counted. Rome would drop from 25.286 to 73.124 if the Grande Raccordo Annulare isn't counted.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 03:45 PM   #32
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Are you sure Brisbane stands higher than Melbourne? I know Sidney sucks though.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 03:49 PM   #33
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Yeah. Pretty sure. Brisbane has a population of about 1.8 million and 8 urban motorways/freeways. More on the way too. I did'nt include motorways under construction in the list so Melbourne is missing about 45km of freeway due to be opened next year.
Adelaide stands very low in the list as no expressways have been included.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 03:52 PM   #34
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Are expressways being included in the European statistics? I know for example that there are a few "freeway" grade areas in Auckland which wouldn't be included in the statistic. Roads like South Eastern Highway would be one example to add a wee bit to the Auckland total and I know that Aussie cities have quite extensive expressways.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 03:55 PM   #35
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Yeah. I think the European stats rely heavily on expressway counts.
For Auckland I just counted the Northern Motorway to Albany, the Southern to Drury, the Northwestern, and the Southwestern as it is now. No proposed or sections under construction included. Apart from the eastern highway auckland does'nt really have expressways. It's either a normal road or it's a motorway generally speaking

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Atlanta in particular surprised me, from looking at it on Google Earth I see a multitude of large "freeways" radiating in all directions!
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Old October 28th, 2007, 04:01 PM   #37
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If looking aside from the car prices and parking fees Copenhagen is a pretty car friendly place - although parking can be hard to find at times in the old town.. but no car has nothing to do there anyway..

The lack of the block system also means you have main roads that doesn't have many large crossing streets so you have have "green light zones" with a high average speed making getting around town fast and convienient..

I do have something to complain over though - we need more lanes on some of our freeways - it is being done on some but it's 10-20 years too late imo!
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Old October 28th, 2007, 04:11 PM   #38
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Yeah. I think the European stats rely heavily on expressway counts.
Paris & London rely indeed heavily on expressways. Madrid, Copenhagen and Barcelona don't have expressways.

However, i only counted expressways with motorway standards.

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although parking can be hard to find at times in the old town.. but no car has nothing to do there anyway..
Yeah, that's almost everywere the case.

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I do have something to complain over though - we need more lanes on some of our freeways - it is being done on some but it's 10-20 years too late imo!
What are they doing on the E20 Køge - København? Widening to 2x4 lanes? During rushhour, i drove from Malmö to Roskilde, pretty busy, a short traffic jam too.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 04:20 PM   #39
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Yeah. Pretty sure. Brisbane has a population of about 1.8 million and 8 urban motorways/freeways. More on the way too. I did'nt include motorways under construction in the list so Melbourne is missing about 45km of freeway due to be opened next year.
Adelaide stands very low in the list as no expressways have been included.
You're right, Melbourne has many and long motorways leading to different parts of Victoria (unlike Brisbane), but the city itself is not so full of them.
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Old October 28th, 2007, 11:17 PM   #40
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Hartford is actually one of the highest, if not the highest, with 4.206 inhabitants per kilometer.



But that actually kind of shocks me. Large swaths of the Hartford area have no highways of any kind. The entire northwest suburban area, which is the richest part of the metro, have no highway. You have do go down simple roads. And considering that we have a high density now, since most of the freeways proposed were cancelled.

Imagine how high it would be if we built them all?
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