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Subliving
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Belfast
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In my own experience, Belfast does not have a 'gay area', there is an area where a few gay venues are located, but there is no residential and generally not that busy during the day, it only takes off at night and even then it's primarily confined to the bars/clubs. It's also very important to note that not all gay men want to be 'confined' to a gay area or indeed go to gay bars. I did the gay bar thing for a couple of years (I'm 23), I go now and then, generally with a big and mixed crowd for a fun night. Usually I however prefer 'st8' bars and cubs as the crowd is mixed and the atmosphere is great. That's not to say I don't approve of such things or the promotion of gay culture and entertainment. I fully support it, I also stress the need for greater awareness and education on gay issues that in part could help with debunking gay 'myths' and unfounded bullshit. There will always be vicious bastards that are homophobic, racist, sexist or whatever else. The best thing a city like Liverpool and indeed Derry here in NI can do is address the issues and not allow it to tarnish their image. The very fact this young man was an openly gay police traniee is a good example of how far parts of society have come. I wish him and his family all the best in moving forward. |
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Phatang Phatang
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Liverpool
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They're all just cowards and have singled him out because they held the upper hand i.e they had the numbers,these shitbags would've kicked the shit out of someone else if he hadn't come along first,I hate bullying and that's what it is,an extreme form of bullying.Given the same option and equal numbers and they'd have walked on by,maybe with a bit of verbal abuse.
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Fiat Lux
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Demonising so-called 'shit families' doesn't help much either. Treating the symptom (behaviour) and not the cause (ignorance, lack of self-control, irresponsibility, lack of opportunity etc) doesn't help much. It's easy to hate and it always has a nasty end as this attack on James illustrates. In terms of the recent attack, schools having a zero tolerance policy towards homophobia is part of the solution because, sadly, too many parents turn a blind eye to it at home. |
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Fiat Lux
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Homotopia is the umbrella organisation out of which this Sunday's vigil and a march against homophobia at the end of next month have emerged. Currently its facebook page is being used as a notice board for people responding to homophobic attacks in Liverpool. In this context, I'm not sure how you can see it as irrelevant to the lives of gay men in Liverpool. I would have thought that it was very relevant. I take your point that footy-loving gay men might prefer to stay at home to watch football than glory in the presence of the divine Ms Ashley but April Ashley's appearance at last year's Homotopia was only one of several dozen items on offer and it wasn't aimed at 'gay men' - nor is homotopia. I guess 'gay men' are as likely to go to cultural events any other group but given the ongoing success of homotopia in such a short time a lot of people seem to be enjoying its offer. Also, homotopia isn't just aimed at the gay community. At it's heart is the notion of 'queer' that involves a dissolving of labels and an embrace and celebration of difference. You might want to flag it up to some of your footy-loving gay mates if they really haven't heard of it. Who knows - they find something that interests them apart from football.
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Fiat Lux
Join Date: Apr 2007
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There was an interesting report on C4 news last night about events in Liverpool. For some reason all the shots of people marching (in different places) emphasised drag queens!
Anyway, in terms of reports of homophobic attacks last year London showed an 18% increase in self reports Stratchclyde 35% Merseyside 41% and Greater Manchester 63%. It was emphasised that most homophobic attacks are not reported so heaven only knows what the true figure is. 1 in 5 gay people claim to have been attacked at some point over the last three years for being gay according to some report mentioned. Pete Price was also on the programme going on about how he is constantly the victim of homophobic remarks wherever he goes. |
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Fiat Lux
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Liverpool/Wirral
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The next most important thing is to get out there on Sunday evening.... then keep the momentum up for a march later on in November.... THAT is the most important thing right now.... prove to the types people who committed this act that we are not willing to be bullied and treated as non citizens...this is something for all fair minded people to join in... not just the Lesbian,Gay,Bisexual and Transgender community.
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And which gay businesses would these be at the expense of 'none gay' businesses? Would they only employ gays. Isn't that a wee bit sensationalist, seperatist and downright illegal?
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A bit of an odd post Ged considering you often talk sense? I can't envisage a situation where a businesss would only employ Gay people but I know nothing about business. I take your point about separatism, but if the straight community doesn't want that then they should fully accept gay people in their bars, imagine if I walked into Wetherspoons on Walton Road and kissed another man? |
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Does anyone know which local leaders have said they will be there on Sunday? Is Warren Bradley due to attend? And the two bishops? I think it's very important that there is leadership on this issue. I am lazy and unpolitical but I will be attending, because I think it's vital that as many people as possible show solidarity with the victims and on behalf of decency. Hopefully if this forum is anything to go by it will be a big statement by the city that hate isn't welcome.
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Beppo
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well that's a very nice thing to do design man, and reminds us all this is not about villages, bars and quaarters but a terrible thing for that lad and his family. I very much doubt though the 2 Bishops would be there. Homophobia is perfectly acceptable in the churches. Imagine Patrick Kelly at that vigil. |
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It's amateur psychology time on SSC. Next you will be saying the prisons should be emptied and all the paedophiles, rapists, murderers, burglars and hooligans should be released, because it's unfair to demonise them. After all, the majority of them will have had some sort of crap upbringing, which wasn't their fault.Whatever the reasons for a large group of youngsters deciding to stamp on an innocent man's head repeatedly until they almost murdered him, innocent and civilised people deserve to be able to exist without being attacked by such people. We shouldn't demonise the people who have done this, but what exactly are we supposed to do? They are the way they are and that is that. They come from a long line of people who lack morals and decency, and a basic respect towards other human beings, which is what you are saying we should all have towards them. I understand what you're saying, many of these "people" are a product of their upbringing. But so what? Yes, that is a shame and they have had rubbish parents (who in turn had rubbish parents and circumstances), but life is too short; there isn't enough time or money, or probably any way at all, to fix this growing problem of violent animals and make them behave properly. I see no other option than to pursue the sorts of policies Design-man referred to earlier. People who behave this way, and those reponsible for them, need to be persecuted, not respected. It is impossible to fix them, but if they are just left to carry on like this then more people will end up being brutally attacked. This sort of gang battering isn't exactly uncommon in Liverpool and I bet it is worse in Liverpool than many other places. What if it is you who is battered to death next, or your wife, or husband, or civil partner? You will have been too busy dreaming up fantasies about how if we'd all just thrown a few more billions of New Deal at the culprits that they might have been less inclined to do these things. But you will probably just wish they had been dealt with properly, and not left to attack decent people trying to go about their lives. What has happened to this gay man makes me sick. Imagine what it must be like for his family. I certainly won't be wandering round Liverpool again at night after reading this and other stories. Last edited by Splendidineogh; October 29th, 2009 at 08:45 PM. |
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![]() Never has a generation had better housing, better health care, better education and more opportunities. Countless tax pounds have been lavished on these animals. They have had a better quality of life and better start in life than middle class people had a generation ago. You can guarantee they will come from "decent" homes in terms of the official definition of acceptable housing, will have had expensive help provided to keep them performing at school, and will have had every possible consideration shown to them to help them develop as decent citizens. The individuals involved in this are spoiled, privelidged scum. Nothing changes them. All our tax pounds on them and their parents was wasted. They should now be terminated, to save everyone further expense, suffering and trouble. |
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I caught a falling star
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A social blight shared by the rest of the country, and, in many cases, possibly even more acute. Specifically In terms of homophobic murders in London, I can, just from the top of my head, remember at least two in very recent past: two weeks ago a man was homophobically abused and murdered stepping off a bus at Trafalgar Square by two girls and a male; and, three years or so ago, another gay man was murdered by a gang as he made his way home from Soho along the Southbank (indeed he himself had been a survivor of the worst homphobic attack of all when the Admiral Duncan pub in Compton St. Soho was bombed by the "nail bomber" of ten years ago). There have been others. |
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Destroyer of worlds
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Liverpool
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I find it worrying that many of these attacks are so premeditated, instances of 'homophobes' posing as gay men in gay clubs for example, only to find victim who they then lead to secluded area/back to a property.. only to attack or murder them.
The guy who played Fred Elliot in corrie was famously a victim of this. i watched an excellent channel 4 film only the other week called 'Clapham Junction' largely based around the homophobic encounters of several gay men over a short period. based on the 2005 homophobic murder of Jody Dobrowski. on 4OD http://www.channel4.com/programmes/clapham-junction/4od worth a watch |
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Let the Jam decide
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: LIVERPOOL!
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Well I hope this doesnt put people going out and being themselves, dont let the scum win. Looking to have more gay mates, so let me know if you wanna go out, we could alll meet up?
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