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Old November 4th, 2013, 03:28 AM   #221
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A few days ago german tv was showing(i think it was Galileo on pro7)something about the A46 autobahn between Fulda and Würzburg
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Old November 4th, 2013, 02:44 PM   #222
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Strecke 46, not A46
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 10:43 PM   #223
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M203 road in Spain:

https://www.google.pl/maps/place/288...!6m1!1e1?hl=pl
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 10:53 PM   #224
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That project is not going forward for a long time. Construction started in 2006 and it is still unfinished. The main problem seems to be a bridge or tunnel crossing the AVE.

As a toll road, there probably won't be any traffic using it anyway.
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 11:04 PM   #225
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Spanish A-22 will remain unfinished from next year to at least 2015. The motorway will end abruptly after 94 km and the final 11 kilometers to A-23 are very unlikely to start construction next year, so traffic will have to use N-240, so traffic jams are guaranteed. And it's a black spot!
I said this back in 2010. We are in 2015 and well, it will not be completed before 2020 now. That section has yet to start construction, meanwhile the rest of A-22 has been completed for some years now.
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 09:56 PM   #226
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That project is not going forward for a long time. Construction started in 2006 and it is still unfinished. The main problem seems to be a bridge or tunnel crossing the AVE.

As a toll road, there probably won't be any traffic using it anyway.
The problem with this road is that no company is interested in finishing it because it would be unprofitable. It's a spur of R-3, a road that's basically living on Government money. The area M-203 would serve is already well-connected to other motorways.

The only thing that would help could be making R-3 toll-free for cars exiting to M-203, and finished the damn thing with public money (there's not a lot left to do after all). This system is already used in some motorways around Barcelona. But Madrid regional Government seems unwilling to find any kind of solution to this problem.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 05:53 PM   #227
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Actually M-203 is a part of a network of upgraded/some new, little roads with heavy traffic from M-600 to M-100. Thus forming the M-60. A very useful project locally, but they are focusing now on how to avoid Madrid from a far distance. That isn't stupid either, but 25K ADT 1+1-muletracks are not okay in Madrid or anywhere.
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Old September 30th, 2015, 08:59 PM   #228
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Now that the new Spanish roads law is published, some motorways are now officially cancelled. These include the following:
AP-41 beyond Toledo, already cancelled by 2008, and IMO the only part built shouldn't have been done.
A-47, which would have run from A-66 North of Seville to the Portuguese border along N-433.
AP-69, which would have run from AP-68 to A-67 mostly along N-232.
A-74, already cancelled when it was decided A-43 would run through Almaden (It would have connected Almaden to A-43 otherwise). However, the number is reused for a new motorway in Galicia, splitting from A-8 and running to San Cibrao along N-642.
A-80, cancelled a long time ago, would have split from A-8 and run to Cangas de Onis along N-634 and N-625,
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Old September 30th, 2015, 11:01 PM   #229
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the remaining piers that supported the now demolished Gardiner Expressway in Toronto. While the Expressway ends at the Don Valley Parkway today, it originally ran a bit further to Leslie street as a sort of stub freeway, before being torn down in 2002. They left some of the piers in the ground as a reminder of what once was. a 6 lane road runs to the right of this image, with a bike path running down the middle.

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Old October 1st, 2015, 12:13 PM   #230
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"A reminder of what once was"? I don't think it's such an historical landmark to be preserved...
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Old October 1st, 2015, 02:31 PM   #231
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Ex-4/E4 Jyväskylä, Finland

This was initially a motorway:



The original plan from the early 1960's drew a motorway through the center of city of Jyväskylä. That plan was killed, but this southern approach was agreed to be built. At the opening in the year 1965, it was a non-paved gravel motorway! Its length was 1,8 kilometers.

Later, its motorway status was canceled. The new 2+2 approach road was built, and the motorway was converted to a street.
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Old October 1st, 2015, 04:24 PM   #232
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At the opening in the year 1965, it was a non-paved gravel motorway! Its length was 1,8 kilometers.

Later, its motorway status was canceled. The new 2+2 approach road was built, and the motorway was converted to a street.
Gravel road with a motorway sign? Always thinked about it A motorway that has no pavement

Is there any other examples in Europe (or somewhere else) that existed in the past?
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Old October 1st, 2015, 05:06 PM   #233
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Gravel road with a motorway sign?
I am not sure about that. That section was paved soon: The road map from 1966 shows the road as a paved one. I think the chopstick sign was taken into use in Finland in late 1960's, perhaps after the opening of this strada.

It is good to understand that Finland was still recovering from the WWII in mid-1960's. The whole trunk road network was rebuilt within 25 years. As the traffic rocketed, the new sections were opened as soon as possible, even before finding money to pave them. Only a few sections of the most important roads were paved using asphalt. The remaining ones were gravel roads, or paved using the mixture of oil and gravel.

The following map from 1963 illustrates the situation. Red=asphalt, grey=oil/gravel, brown=gravel, background=under construction:

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Old October 1st, 2015, 05:39 PM   #234
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Italy featured a certain number of unpaved national roads, some of them still existent (although demoted to regional or provincial roads).

SS345 Between Maniva and Crocedomini passes (Brescia) comes to mind: it's still unpaved but a provincial road now.

I don't think we ever had unpaved motorways...
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Part of SR465 (formerly SS465) between Forcella Lavardet pass and Campolongo isn't paved. Officially is closed to traffic because it's not maintained, but some people managed to get through by car or motorcycle.
The last section of SS508 in Alto Adige, that dead ends at Passo Vizze (on the Austrian border) is unpaved too, but it's now restricted to hikers, MTBs and authorized motor vehicles.
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Old October 2nd, 2015, 03:47 PM   #236
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Lol, come to Roumania if you are looking for some national roads that are unpaved. Well, there not as many as expected, but still there are and for some of them there isn't even plans to change their status.

Some example
- DN24C between Radauti Prut and Mantuleasa - it's a 40 km road in far-east poorest part of the country.
- DN7D, between northern part of Arges and Valcea county - this road status is keep changing between national and county road; in that hilly and mountain area is to be build A1 strech between Pitesti and Sibiu
- some streches of DN7A between Petrosani and Obarsia Lotrului a mountain area where works are taking way to long to be finished.
- some streches of DN2D between Targu Secuiesc and Foscani; also a mountain area, also works on their way, some hopes that will be finished this fall.
- some area of DN1R, again a mountains area
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Still do not understand why to spend money on destroying the old motorway access and downgrading it to 1+1! That's stupid. I guess the road was temporarily oil from 1965 to 1966.

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Gravel road with a motorway sign? Always thinked about it A motorway that has no pavement

Is there any other examples in Europe (or somewhere else) that existed in the past?
The QEW in Ontario Canada had a section from Niagara Falls to Fort Erie that remained gravel for the duration of WWII I believe, but it was only because of lack of resources to finish. However that road was only a 2+2 expressway until many years later (a correct motorway only since the 1970's)
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Still do not understand why to spend money on destroying the old motorway access and downgrading it to 1+1! That's stupid. I guess the road was temporarily oil from 1965 to 1966.
Since the new alignment of 4/9/13/18/23/E63/E75 was complete, that stretch of 1.8 km is an access to virtually nowhere. It remained a 2+2 road for years. It turned to be an accident-intensive road because of excessive speeds within a built-up area, and therefore rebuilt for calm down.

The decision of the Jyväskylä city council from 1963 to forbid building a motorway through the west parts of the center of the city killed the business case for extending the 1.8 km section as earlier planned.
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Since the new alignment of 4/9/13/18/23/E63/E75 was complete, that stretch of 1.8 km is an access to virtually nowhere. It remained a 2+2 road for years. It turned to be an accident-intensive road because of excessive speeds within a built-up area, and therefore rebuilt for calm down.

The decision of the Jyväskylä city council from 1963 to forbid building a motorway through the west parts of the center of the city killed the business case for extending the 1.8 km section as earlier planned.
There is also a never-built motorway that still was in the 90's plans - the southern by-pass (Road 13). That road would take a lot of traffic from the Coastal Expressway - which has, typically, so typically Finnish, still two at-grade intersections with no knowledge of when they will be removed.
Also, in Jyväskylä there is an interesting bridge-complex just where the city center begins and it's ramps go to the main streets - I guess certainly that that was supposed to be the access to the city center from the then-planned Western by-pass.
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