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Old October 5th, 2015, 01:10 PM   #241
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Gravel road with a motorway sign? Always thinked about it A motorway that has no pavement

Is there any other examples in Europe (or somewhere else) that existed in the past?
In Poland, you had till very recently some DW (voivodian or regional main roads) that were still unpaved (and some may still be); many more have very bad cobblestone/roadway/very old surfacing that are not used anymore since a while in road building. Though, lots of local roads connecting entire villages are still very bad and unpaved .

Here were recent examples of unpaved DW roads:
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.6364...7i13312!8i6656



Much more common, DW roads with very bad "paved" surface:


As for motorways, you may know that Poland inherited German territories after WWII, where many Reichsautobahns were under construction. My guess is that many of them were used, but didn't had a paved surface for decades.
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Old October 5th, 2015, 02:44 PM   #242
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http://tile3.kartat.kapsi.fi/demo/ma...mith-polvinen/

The AWESOME freeway network planned by the Finnish-American consulting company Smith-Polvinen. As you can see on the sixties satellite view, Ruoholahti and Sörnäinen for example were just wastelands back then and until the 90's, so there had been plenty of space for the gorgeus interchanges. If the central routes (M1 and E1) were moved a bit to the coast in the South and to the border of the Töölö bay and Kaisaniemi park, nearly nothing would had been demolished. Just when Finland finally had money to built anything, the Green-Communist movement began.... Smith-Polvinen-plan included also a large metro network. Now we neither have motorways with enough capacity or a normal subway network like in any European city of this size..

Surprisingly many of this routes were actually built, with slightly different alignments though, and many are planned, though "lighter" with tunnels less massive structures. Northern Helsinki though is a complete mess, because the route to the northern suburbs was never built and you can cruise on a distance of 5 Km's like 40 min in rush hours turning constantly to another heavily trafficked 1+1-street built in the 40's...

Big credits to Clepe !!
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Old October 5th, 2015, 09:24 PM   #243
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As for motorways, you may know that Poland inherited German territories after WWII, where many Reichsautobahns were under construction. My guess is that many of them were used, but didn't had a paved surface for decades.
Speaking of unfinished Reichsautobahns, here are two most notable examples. They probably have been posted in this thread, but I'm too lazy to check. Very well visible on satellite images even after 80 years.

Route Berlin - Konigsberg
https://www.google.pl/maps/@53.43462.../data=!3m1!1e3
(Scroll to the east and follow the trail)

Route Breslau - WIen
https://www.google.pl/maps/@49.68027.../data=!3m1!1e3
(Scroll to the south and follow the trail. Also there are many unused viaducts, some of them visible on Streetview)

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Much more common, DW roads with very bad "paved" surface:
These are not that common. Actually, DW roads with such bad pavement are very rare now.
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Old October 6th, 2015, 12:43 AM   #244
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Route Breslau - WIen
https://www.google.pl/maps/@49.68027.../data=!3m1!1e3
(Scroll to the south and follow the trail. Also there are many unused viaducts, some of them visible on Streetview)
That's really pitty that even after 80 years this motorway doesn't exists, at least between Brno and Wien > you have to drive on very narrow and 90°/180° curvy 30km/h roads inside villages .

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These are not that common. Actually, DW roads with such bad pavement are very rare now.
I was saying that it's far more common in Poland to see bad pavement for DK/DW roads than unpaved - but not local roads. Anyway, bad DK/DW roads are "still" not that rare, even near/in Warsaw: some of them are really horrible, not to say that even in the Capital City you have entire neighborhoods connected with dirt roads (and no canalizations btw. ) . But, it's true that we see less roads like the one I posted, year by year, since let say 2010 .
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