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Old November 8th, 2007, 10:21 PM   #61
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New York's Berlinka. Yeah, where is it, I first hear of.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 02:34 AM   #62
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Berlinka ?? Part of it is as National Road 22 in Poland. It was planned as motorway in 30's by Nazi Germany.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 03:03 AM   #63
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^ Umm, I know the real Berlinka. I just don't know where the New York one is.
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Old December 14th, 2007, 03:03 PM   #64
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Abandoned highways

Ok, let this thread be a place to post the information on abandoned highways and highway structures worldwide.

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Abandoned highway bridges near Borovsko, Czech republic







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The construction of highways/motorways ("dálnice", literally "farway" in czech) on the Czech soil commenced in 1939 as both direct and indirect consequence of the Munich agreement. The indirect one was that after several years of lingering, the czech government finally gave a green light to the project of a highway between Prague and Slovakia as an instant need to feed several hundred thousand refugees from now nazi Sudetenland emerged. The direct one was that according to the agreement Czechoslovakia was obliged to allow Germany to build a highway between then German cities of Breslaw (today Wroclaw in Poland) and Vienna traversing its territory. The interchange of the two highways was planned near Brno. This way the construction of two highways began about the same time in 1939 but neither of them was finished before the ban on all civilian construction was issued by german authorities in 1941 due to war shortages (nazi Germany occupied the remainder of Czech territory as soon as march 1939).

While the post-war changes of borders rendered the (now polish) Breslau - Vienna highway somewhat useless and the construction site was abandoned altogether (however there are plans to build R43 expressway on some parts of it), the works on the czech highway Prague - Brno - Slovakia were resumed. Unfortunately the works had low intensity and in fact were limited to the basic maintenance of what had been built before 1941. In 1950 the works stopped altogether as the government of now communist Czechoslovakia didn't see the future in something so individualist like an automobile. The construction sites remained vacant until the late 1960s when the new boom of motorism forced government to resume the construction once again. The new highway used as many of the previously built structures as ingeneers were able to design despite sometimes more modern codes amounted into some really awkward solutions (like this one):


One of the exceptions was the section near Borovsko depicted in the opening pictures of this thread, where the new highway had to be built more southwards because in the meantime a dam was build nearby (Želivka dam that delivers pottable water for Prague via over 50 km long tunnels) and the bridges were almost entirely flooded by the new lake.

Now back to the German highway Breslau - Brno - Vienna. Unlike the Czech highway, no large bridges or similar structures have been built there. But a lot of groundwork and many smaller bridges and similar structures can be found along its construction site. (Samples):




Most of the photos above are courtesy of http://www.dalnice.com, a site that sports a great history section, lots of rarity pictures and great interactive maps like this as well as http://www.ceskedalnice.cz.

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Old December 14th, 2007, 04:15 PM   #65
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Nice pictures.... Nevertheless... It reminded me to a similar thread I was reading there a few months ago, this is it: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=541809
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Old December 14th, 2007, 04:43 PM   #66
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Thank you mapman,

I was unaware of the existence of that thread. Nonetheless I meant this thread more relict oriented (Berlinka and the likes) and less onto unfinished/unbuilt/dead-end highways (however there are some nice examples that fit this definition as well in that thread, so thank you again).
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Old December 14th, 2007, 08:44 PM   #67
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here is one in Cape Town, South Africa. There is so many stories and urban legends around why this was never finished, so its difficult to tell why. However, it looks like the City of Cape Town is divided over whether to dismantle these highways which actually obscure a beautiful view of the sea from the foreshore or to finish them off. Others want the city to put these highways underground.

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Old December 15th, 2007, 05:29 AM   #68
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I totally don't understand this:


Was the new bridge built directly over the old? If so, why? If the old bridge wasn't good enough, why not tear it down? Is the old bridge used for anything?

And where is it? I want to look at it on Google Earth.
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Old December 15th, 2007, 07:24 AM   #69
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I totally don't understand this:

Was the new bridge built directly over the old? If so, why? If the old bridge wasn't good enough, why not tear it down? Is the old bridge used for anything?

And where is it? I want to look at it on Google Earth.
http://www.dalnice.com/english/big_bridges.htm
49°35'45.524"N, 15°12'26.444"E (btw GE coverage in central europe is bad, try http://www.mapy.cz/#[email protected][email protected][email protected]=F)

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Old December 15th, 2007, 08:21 AM   #70
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http://www.dalnice.com/english/big_bridges.htm
49°35'45.524"N, 15°12'26.444"E (btw GE coverage in central europe is bad, try http://www.mapy.cz/#[email protected][email protected][email protected]=F)
From those aerial images, it looks like the lower (original) level of that bridge is in fact in use to carry a local road over that river.

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Old December 15th, 2007, 04:06 PM   #71
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From those aerial images, it looks like the lower (original) level of that bridge is in fact in use to carry a local road over that river.
Exactly. The local road uses one carriageway of the lower bridge (the right one on the picture in my 1st post).

The reason why the new bridge was build over the old one was that to reach the level of the bridge the original highway required too steep gradients from both sides of the bridge (it's in a valley), which were no longer allowed by contemporary codes (the pre ww2 codes allowed gradients up to 6%, while the post ww2 codes only 4%, exceptionally 4,5%).

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Old December 19th, 2007, 08:53 PM   #72
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after a huge work i'm proud (proud? maybe sad) to show some stub ramps and uncompleted motorway/freeway from italy

1) A31-A4 interchange near vicenza: the A31 was supposed to go south of this interchange but nothing happens till the 70's


2) near padova: this strange loop was supposed to be a 4 way interchange between 2 freeways


3) verona: SS 434 from rovigo ends here


4) firenze: two uncompleted sections of west bypass (tangenziale di firenze)



5) siena: nort and south end of a 2km strech of freeway (built in the middle of nowhere)



6) viterbo: SS675 ends in the middle of nowhere (plans to extend the freeway to civitavecchia are about to start tough noting happens for decades)


7) salerno: this ramp stub was supposed to be an onramp from A3 to the city bypass (tangenziale di salerno)


8) roma:
stub ramp on viale palmiro togliatti

magliana skyway's stub ramp (viadotto della magliana)

A1nord-G.R.A. interchange, the old interchange lies under the new one and is abandoned because this junction was reconstructed for a southbound extencion of A1 wich was never built, resulting of a double stub because the new interchange lies unfinished.


9) napoli:
some stub ramps



a half freeway bridge (only the southbound lanes are open)

ghost exit


and the best (or worst) ones:

a going to nowhere stetch of freeway nort of pozzuoli


the house that blocked the freeway (near capodichino airport)


VOMERO GHOST TUNNEL (the higway enters but do not exit !) !!


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Old December 19th, 2007, 09:15 PM   #73
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3) verona: SS 434 from rovigo ends here
That's probably the strangest motorway ending seen.

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and the best (or worst) ones:

a going to nowhere stetch of freeway nort of pozzuoli
And that's probably the shortest motorway on the world.
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Old December 19th, 2007, 09:31 PM   #74
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We should compare it's length to the Marina Expressway or the Laurel Canyon Freeway in Los Angeles (the Laurel Canyon Freeway is unmarked so it is hard to find if you don't know the area).
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Old December 19th, 2007, 09:35 PM   #75
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you talk about this one ?

http://maps.google.it/maps?f=q&hl=it...&t=h&z=15&om=1

or this one ?
http://maps.google.it/maps?f=q&hl=it...&t=h&z=17&om=1
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Old December 19th, 2007, 09:57 PM   #76
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We should compare it's length to the Marina Expressway or the Laurel Canyon Freeway in Los Angeles (the Laurel Canyon Freeway is unmarked so it is hard to find if you don't know the area).
Marina Expressway is the CA highway 90, that's not very short, and shown on most maps.

Where is that Laurel Canyon Fwy?
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Old December 19th, 2007, 10:21 PM   #77
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In the 60's the Glasgow Highway Development plan was launched which detailed a new Motorway network which was to be constructed in inner-Glasgow. This was later revised to include the entire Glasgow region and became know as the Greater Glasgow Transportation Plan.

The network included a huge outer ring-road, an inner ring-road, a city centre ring-road and a network of other highways connecting key towns in the area to each other and to central Glasgow. The idea behind the whole plan was to provide so much roadspace (over 100miles) that congestion would be near impossible.

The above map shows the entire extent of the scheme. The red indicating Expressway and the Blue Motorway.

Below shows what was actually built and how the city looks today with yellow representing Expressway and orange, Motorway.

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More info can be found here:
http://www.cbrd.co.uk/histories/glasgow/
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Old December 20th, 2007, 01:37 AM   #78
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The M74 should leave us with an almost ring-road around the city centre.



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Old December 20th, 2007, 06:03 AM   #79
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The Elgin-O'Hare Expressway outside of Chicago neither begins at Elgin nor ends at O'Hare Airport. It is supposed to be expanded following the expansion of O'Hare airport.

Its western terminus currently lies at US Route 20 (Lake St.) You can see the ROW.



Its eastern terminus is near IL Route 53. It then continues as Thorndale Rd. to O'Hare (but does not directly access the airport).

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Old December 20th, 2007, 08:17 AM   #80
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Marina Expressway is the CA highway 90, that's not very short, and shown on most maps.

Where is that Laurel Canyon Fwy?
I don't know what your definition of short is, but it seems short to me.

SCWTC4's second link is the Laurel Canyon Freeway, and it consists of one underpass.
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