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Old May 21st, 2012, 08:20 AM   #381
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I think it has as much to do with high demand as it has to do with technological advances allowing tall buildings to be built much cheaper than before... I don't have hard numbers but I would bet that it's more cost effective than ever to build to 1,000'+, especially in residential buildings where there aren't thousands of people entering/exiting daily. You need far fewer elevators if there are only a few hundred units to begin with... and that was the main challenge buildings like the Twin Towers faced.
The economics have changed due to flat plate floor pouring that reduces the time to build and makes concrete towers even faster than steel to raise. Add to this high performance 16,000psi concrete, and you can build supertalls that are both superstrong and slender.

Here's a great overview from an industry publication: http://www.concreteconstruction.net/...tructures.aspx
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Old May 21st, 2012, 08:56 AM   #382
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If this is going to be the tallest in NYC, it needs a more iconic look. Now, don't get me wrong, I love the design of this, but it doesn't look iconic enough to be NYC's tallest.
If you want an iconic tower as NYC's tallest, you would be happy with 432Park Avenue.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 01:48 PM   #383
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If this is going to be the tallest in NYC, it needs a more iconic look. Now, don't get me wrong, I love the design of this, but it doesn't look iconic enough to be NYC's tallest.
Here's the thing: NY is never planning a new tallest, it hits us by surprise. The market dictates the outcome.
With other cities it's the other way around: the government announces a new tallest building for the country: "Look world, look America- this tower will be the tallest now, looook please!!".
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Old May 21st, 2012, 05:57 PM   #384
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Oddly, I don't really like it. Maybe the renders throw me off.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 06:53 PM   #385
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Here's the thing: NY is never planning a new tallest, it hits us by surprise. The market dictates the outcome.
With other cities it's the other way around: the government announces a new tallest building for the country: "Look world, look America- this tower will be the tallest now, looook please!!".
Yeah, couldn't agree more. This is actually a great looking building, and with a redesign it could definitely be more iconic, either way I would take this as NYC'S tallest over 432 park any day.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 09:18 PM   #386
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another race for the sky, like a century ago.
Like the one we where having before, the Chicago spire called it quits on us.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 09:42 PM   #387
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It great to see NYC getting back in the skyscraper race again. By 2020 it could have 10+ supertalls(including chrysler, boa,ect).
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Old May 21st, 2012, 10:46 PM   #388
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It great to see NYC getting back in the skyscraper race again. By 2020 it could have 10+ supertalls(including chrysler, boa,ect).

Including spires there will be way more than 10, even without spires there will still be more than 10...
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Like the one we where having before, the Chicago spire called it quits on us.
If you go by stupid CTBUH measurements, then technically you could say the Trump international Chicago and 1 WTC were in a race, but the Trump started and finished much quicker, so it's hard to use the word race. Give it a half decade, and we will probably have a race between Chicago and NY, the market is recovering at a fast rate, and the scale of proposals in Chicago has been increasing dramatically, so it shouldn't be too long now.
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I hope so, I would love to see more big towers in Chicago and NYC!

We need them to make up for the WTC being utterly ruined in many ways.
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If you go by stupid CTBUH measurements, then technically you could say the Trump international Chicago and 1 WTC were in a race, but the Trump started and finished much quicker, so it's hard to use the word race. Give it a half decade, and we will probably have a race between Chicago and NY, the market is recovering at a fast rate, and the scale of proposals in Chicago has been increasing dramatically, so it shouldn't be too long now.
That's good to know, I like Chicago's skyline a lot. NY needs a serious contender in the U.S.
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That's good to know, I like Chicago's skyline a lot. NY needs a serious contender in the U.S.
Couldn't agree more, I love NYC's scale, and I love Chicago's aesthetic beauty. It's the best of both world's.

But I think we are starting to get off topic though.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 11:17 PM   #393
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hopefully the demand will continue
Nothing is forever

But of course i hope that too
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wow 1,500 ft would be amazing!!
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Nothing is forever

But of course i hope that too

It will go on and off, but NYC will always be a hotspot for projects, people will always want the tallest building in NYC.
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True, but beside NYC and Chicago, I also hope the westcoast gets some new landmarks.
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It will go on and off, but NYC will always be a hotspot for projects, people will always want the tallest building in NYC.
You are absolutely right, my friend
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If you go by stupid CTBUH measurements, then technically you could say the Trump international Chicago and 1 WTC were in a race, but the Trump started and finished much quicker, so it's hard to use the word race. Give it a half decade, and we will probably have a race between Chicago and NY, the market is recovering at a fast rate, and the scale of proposals in Chicago has been increasing dramatically, so it shouldn't be too long now.
Yeah but Trump Chicago wasn't trying to be the tallest in the country. And I do go the CTBUH measurements. And if I was going call it a race, I'd include NYTT, and BOA
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Including spires there will be way more than 10, even without spires there will still be more than 10...
1. ESB
2. BoA
3. Chrysler
4. NYT

5. 1 WTC
6. 2 WTC
7. 3 WTC
8. One 57
9. 432 Park

10. Hudson Yards North Office Tower
11. HY South Office Tower
12.HY mixed use building
13. Manhattan West Tower 1
14. Girasole
15. 225 W 57th
16. Tower Verre
17. 15 Penn Plaza

so 14. (bold = 300m+ w/o spire, 5-9 = u/c, 1-4 built)

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If you want an iconic tower as NYC's tallest, you would be happy with 432Park Avenue.
432 Park Avenue along with 3 Hudson Boulevard and the various other projects under development continue to exceed our expectations of what can be achieved.
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