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Old March 3rd, 2014, 09:18 AM   #661
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"Something's new under the sun"? That has got to be the cheesiest marketing poster I've ever seen At least the design is still fantastic
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Old March 3rd, 2014, 01:36 PM   #662
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I agree. I've seen better than this. Better quality renders wouldn't hurt either.
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Old March 3rd, 2014, 10:18 PM   #663
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Digging should be minimal

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Nah, they still have to dig right.
This tower will sit on the MTA's current "Site P" for the #7 subway extension. IIRC Site P was already excavated for the subway station's upper mezzanine, construction access, and the secondary entrance into the future basements of 3 HY.

This is how the site looked (probably still looks) after the MT contractor built everything back UP. The section of Hudson Blvd to the east of the future 3 HY (left of Site P in photo) has an underground parking garage & the base of Hudson Blvd/Park:

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Old March 4th, 2014, 05:25 AM   #664
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The design is forgettable. Too blocky. Very banal and a childish attempt to market the tower as well. Just the fact that it's a supertall makes everyone here all excited like it's the second coming of the Tower Verre. The tower in my avatar is something that should be built there, not this 1980's redo.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 05:27 AM   #665
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The design is forgettable. Too blocky. Very banal and a childish attempt to market the tower as well. Just the fact that it's a supertall makes everyone here wet.
Nothing wrong with that...
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Old March 4th, 2014, 06:24 AM   #666
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The design is forgettable. Too blocky. Very banal and a childish attempt to market the tower as well. Just the fact that it's a supertall makes everyone here all excited like it's the second coming of the Tower Verre. The tower in my avatar is something that should be built there, not this 1980's redo.

Yea I agree about that teaser website. Could have done a better job. Lol

What exactly is forgettable about this design? I don't see anything like it especially in NYC.

It possibly could be my favorite of the Hudson Yards commercial towers so far.. It will look great joining the many towers slated to rise in the Hudson Yards skyline.



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Old March 4th, 2014, 07:14 AM   #667
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You can't have every tower stand out but you also don't want to be forgettable. I think they've done a great job riding the fine line in between. After the tops of main Related towers got flipped and the E-tower changed this has to be my favorite.

And aquablue, the tower in your avatar is totally exaggerated by the renders angle. Even from that best angle it looks simply terrible in real life.
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This tower is perfect for the HY cluster.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 02:34 PM   #668
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Old March 4th, 2014, 03:56 PM   #669
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This tower is hardly boring imo
It reminds me a lot of 4WTC, except this has a gradual twist with sharper edges which I really like
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Old March 4th, 2014, 04:16 PM   #670
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Yea I agree about that teaser website. Could have done a better job. Lol

What exactly is forgettable about this design? I don't see anything like it especially in NYC.

It possibly could be my favorite of the Hudson Yards commercial towers so far.. It will look great joining the many towers slated to rise in the Hudson Yards skyline.

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And here's a still relevant view looking up this future tower

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Old March 4th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #671
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I didn't say boring. I just think that the massing is a bit chunky and not to my liking. I can see how people would find the torque interesting but it's not enough to override my feelings on the tower. To me, the building is too stocky and needs to be taller to appear more graceful.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 10:30 PM   #672
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I didn't say boring. I just think that the massing is a bit chunky and not to my liking. I can see how people would find the torque interesting but it's not enough to override my feelings on the tower. To me, the building is too stocky and needs to be taller to appear more graceful.
Agreed! This is one of the rare cases where I think height matters. Were this building a bit taller, perhaps in the 400 meter range, its figure would be more pronounced and it could turn what is a nice looking building into quite a stunner.
Still it will be a welcome addition to the West side.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 10:46 PM   #673
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I didn't say boring. I just think that the massing is a bit chunky and not to my liking. I can see how people would find the torque interesting but it's not enough to override my feelings on the tower. To me, the building is too stocky and needs to be taller to appear more graceful.
Unfortunately all major HY Towers look kind of stocky and chubby (with the exception of the Equinox Tower). So instead of gaining height, they got a massive height cut. Go figure.
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Unfortunately all major HY Towers look kind of stocky and chubby (with the exception of the Equinox Tower). So instead of gaining height, they got a massive height cut. Go figure.
A lot of these office tower proposals were predicated on big banks taking large blocks of space. Instead, the financials are shrinking their footprints and re-signing in the same buildings. Aside from tech, media and law firms, developers have too few prospective tenants to justify building larger. All the action is in residential.
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Why not do mixed-use then?
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Why not do mixed-use then?
Given all the towers going into HY, all other uses can be accommodated with their own building. If the only buildings going up were these office towers, mixed users would make perfect sense.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 11:41 PM   #677
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^ Very true. I think they actually considered building residentials on top of the office component but they seemed to have abandoned that idea in the latest plans, probably for those reasons.
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Also don't forget there was a big component that change related plans.. The acquiring of 50 Hudson and to a lesser extent 55 Hudson changed the game. Those key acquisitions gave Related more office space to play with and as a result they had to re allocate office space for each of their towers. The casualties were obviously 10 & 30 Hudson with the hair cuts.

Related obviously thinks it's more important having another supertall tower in 50 Hudson than 1350', 30 Hudson Yards Tower.

Phase 1 of the Hudson Blvd, you will see more mix use such as the Girasole and the Hudson Spire. They will have residential's at the top.

Phase 2 of Hudson Boulevard will be more residential's & Phase 2 of the Hudson Yards pretty much all residential. Their will be a lot of residential's in the Hudson Yards District.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 02:46 AM   #679
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Old March 5th, 2014, 06:39 AM   #680
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I got a little impatient so I took the liberty of Rey73's Hudson Spire Rendering and incorporated 3 Hudson Boulevard. Lol




I must say, I'm quite satisfied with my handy work!

I however challenge a better rendering. It would be most welcomed.

Ahem.. Rey73 and Funky!

Oh it would be great to see the Manhattan West Towers too as MarshallKnight has kindly recommended over at the Hudson Spire thread, if it's not asking so much.

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