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Old August 15th, 2014, 12:00 AM   #761
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So it begins ...

DOB filing: http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

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Old August 15th, 2014, 02:15 AM   #762
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Curbed toured Hudson Park and Blvd and posted many a picture. The work on the second entrance for the 7 train extension is ongoing, but also doubles as foundation work for 3 Hudson Blvd. This one might rise sooner than you may think, since the MTA has done so much already.

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Old August 15th, 2014, 02:40 AM   #763
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Curbed toured Hudson Park and Blvd and posted many a picture. The work on the second entrance for the 7 train extension is ongoing, but also doubles as foundation work for 3 Hudson Blvd. This one might rise sooner than you may think, since the MTA has done so much already.

All photos by Max Touhey.







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Wow!
I misread your post when I glanced at it & thought you, j-biz, had taken the photos. And I thought that j-biz had more gumption than I do, because I toured the HY area today (8/14) and did NOT stray onto the 3 HB site. Though I would have loved to see inside the excavation. Note thatthere is at least one error in the ny. curbed artcile, because the #7 subway extension will NOT open this year.

Anyway, this is my contribution from today, a verification that the orange vent pipe for the MTA's access shaft (from '07??) was still in place. View is looking ESE from the Javitz center ($3 for a hot dog from the cart outside the entrance), w 35th st on the left. The green roofed-structure is common reference to both my photo & the Max Touhey photos. The Amtrak Empire Connection tunnel/right-of-way is under the 3HB site corner closest to the photographer, where the construction fence states "World Class Development Team":



And this photo gives you a better idea of what the Amtrak ROW looks like under the 3HB site. This photo is looking east from the east side of 11th Ave with the north side of W35th St on the right. The access road & the actual tracks (other side of concrete? wall) continue to the right and under the 3 HB site. The MTA/Amtrak RoW area in this photo is between 11th Ave and block 3 of Hudson Park & Boulevard:


PS: There is a LOT of stuff going on all around the greater Hudson Yards area so be careful when taking photos!
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Old August 15th, 2014, 01:21 PM   #764
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Title should be changed to prep. Technically this is u/c, but prep is enough for now.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 07:04 PM   #765
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Is it really going to to take 13-14 months to get the foundation done?
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Old August 15th, 2014, 07:22 PM   #766
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Possible. Foundations are the most complicated part.
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Old August 17th, 2014, 01:01 AM   #767
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2007 vs. now: concrete, steel, soil

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Possible. Foundations are the most complicated part.
IIRC, the MTA stated (way back) that this site would be cleared down to rock. I assume they did SOE as they went down, created the access shaft down through the rock and then filled the rest of the site back up to street level. AFAIK, photos 2008+ show a level, cleared lot with construction accoutrements & the access shaft in the center.

So this site is NOT a virgin site.

The scumonkey shots below (via WNY) from November 2007 show the site being cleared & excavated; the one looking north shows the Amtrak Empire Connection "tunnel" box on the left


scumonkey "Inside N view" via wiredneywork http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showth...l=1#post195658

The scumonkey photo below might show more of the "tunnel" box on the right (passing under 11th Ave). The pink building was demoed long ago and now has the 33rd street 7 subway vent building/55 HY site

scumonkey "Inside SW view" via wiredneywork

I think this current Max Touhey zoomed out shot (below) shows them basically trenching back east from the access shaft (towards the secondary subway entrance) to maybe connect the entrance with the upper mez. As they excavated down (currently, in 2014) they cut down the sheet piling east wall of the access shaft.

Max Touhey

And here's my 8.14.2014 photo that is even more zoomed out, showing parts of HP&B Block 2 in the foreground & with the payloader blocking the view. I do not what the steel beams lying across the subway entrance hole are for.

looking west along south side of W 35th street

The park features shown above should match what the rendering from the curbed article shows:

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showth...l=1#post195658

Does the new tower design include the in-tower subway entrance that the old tower design showed?

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Old August 20th, 2014, 01:15 AM   #768
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Not big news, just NYC DoB process

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Is it really going to to take 13-14 months to get the foundation done?
The NYC DOB process proceeded further:
"Last Action: APPLICATION PROCESSED - ENTIRE 08/18/2014 (D)"

BY: REID WILSON ON AUGUST 19TH 2014 AT 11:00 AM
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3 Hudson Boulevard: Spanning 396-410 11th Avenue, Moinian Group has submitted their first building application for the 66-story 3 Hudson Boulevard, on the Far West Side. To be amended, the initial permits account for merely a portion of the entire project; once approved, the MTA will begin foundational work up-to-grade, which is expected to take approximately one year.
-YIMBY
http://newyorkyimby.com/2014/08/dob-...rise-more.html

"foundational" work ~ one year, as reported by ReidWwilson.

I've posted a photo of the site looking east through the construction fence at the 3 HB site, along the blocked off 35th street south sidewalk. the tower's east side should have nice views of the ESB, One Penn Plaza, etc., until some nearby tower blocks them. The short concrete wall w/rebar sticking out MIGHT be a retaining wall built ~7 years ago when the MTA first excavated this site for the 7 subway extension's SINGLE station cavern access shaft:

8.14.2014
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Old August 20th, 2014, 04:11 AM   #769
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Re: #7 Subway Extension
Posted by Eveningstar @ YimbyForums (pics of station in link)
http://www.yimbyforums.com/t/new-yor...xtension/179/4


Rendering of station under 3 Hudson Boulevard or 55 Hudson???


Edit: I think it's for 55 Hudson
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Old August 20th, 2014, 05:25 AM   #770
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Re: #7 Subway Extension
Posted by Eveningstar @ YimbyForums (pics of station in link)
http://www.yimbyforums.com/t/new-yor...xtension/179/4


Rendering of station under 3 Hudson Boulevard or 55 Hudson???


Edit: I think it's for 55 Hudson
they would do very good if they will extend number 7 train to NJ
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Old August 20th, 2014, 02:31 PM   #771
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Re: #7 Subway Extension
Posted by Eveningstar @ YimbyForums (pics of station in link)
http://www.yimbyforums.com/t/new-yor...xtension/179/4


Rendering of station under 3 Hudson Boulevard or 55 Hudson???


Edit: I think it's for 55 Hudson
The station itself is under 11th Ave, west of both 55 HY & 3 HB.

The FOR-SURE entrances (escalators & stairs) are in block 1 (55 HY) & block 2 (3 HB) of Hudson Park & Boulevard. Block 1 also includes the elevator for ADA access. The surface level entrances take you down to an upper mezz.

Old diagrams of 3 HB showed a 35th street subway entrance through the building. The following is the best, OLD, Final==NOT final, MTA design diagram I've found. It is from a 8+ year old MTA document.
Examples of the differences between this document and the current as-built station are:
secondary entrance is in block 2 of HP&B
ADA surface elevator is in a separate structure from main, 34th Street canopied entrance
NO parking structure below HP&B block 2
etc.

MTA/HYDC/Parsons, etc. 4-10-2006
The dashed blue lines are the Amtrak Empire Connection tunnel that is below the 3 HB site (& 11th Ave & the LIRR rail yards), but above the deep 7 subway extension station cavern.

The Max Tohey photo below shows the current state of the secondary entrance from the surface in block 2 of HP&B down to the upper mezz. The primary entrance already has escalators intsalled. The dark pit in the center of the photo is for the "foot" (& it's machinery) of the upper escalator. The upper mezz near the photo top leads west, towards the 3HB site & then via a lower escalator(s) down to the station cavern under 34th street.

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Old August 20th, 2014, 06:07 PM   #772
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Reality = $$$; "could be built for less than $10 billion"

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they would do very good if they will extend number 7 train to NJ
Money makes the world go round, especially in NYC:

NYPost 10.26.2011
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Early estimates say a No. 7 tunnel could be built for less than $10 billion, a sum that would be split among the city, the PA and New Jersey. Officials are also planning to hit up the feds for cash.
http://nypost.com/2011/10/26/mayor-aboard-subway-to-nj/

The Parsons Brinckerhoff study, "Feasability Analysis Final Report April 2013" prepared for The City of New York

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Capital Cost
Should the parties agree to proceed, the capital costs will be developed in the next stage of
analysis. A refined engineering design and assumptions, construction schedule, determination of
the midpoint of construction, escalation, and risk factors are required to develop such costs.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 12:04 AM   #773
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 10:25 PM   #774
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blasting at 3 HB via ILNY photos

ILNY posted photos over on SSP that show that a contractor will be doing blasting at the 3 HB site.

I found the upcoming blasting a little surprising since they are still working on the immediately adjacent Hudson Park Blvd block 2, due to open this year...
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=513

8.30.2014 looking up 11th Ave, 3 HB site on right

ILNY

8.30.2014 blasting mats, looking NW from SE corner of 3 HB site

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Old September 5th, 2014, 12:40 AM   #775
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More DoB filings, for foundation & structural work, etc

NYguy on SSP posted the gist of recent DoB filings, which I've reposted below

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=02
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FOUNDATION WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH NB

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=03
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STRUCTURAL WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH NB

etc. for 396 11 AVENUE

So I'm assuming that when the Hudson Park/Blvd opens this year there will be REAL safety/construction barriers between the park and the active 3HB foundation construction pit.
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Old September 12th, 2014, 08:35 PM   #776
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"when the Hudson Park Blvd opens" NEXT year

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NYguy on SSP posted the gist of recent DoB filings, which I've reposted below

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=02
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FOUNDATION WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH NB

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=03
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STRUCTURAL WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH NB
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So I'm assuming that when the Hudson Park/Blvd opens this year there will be REAL safety/construction barriers between the park and the active 3HB foundation construction pit.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/tigger...r/15205552722/

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Blocks one, two and three comprise phase one. Blocks four, five and six make up the second phase. The first phase is slated to be mostly complete by January of next year, Benfatto said.
- See more at: http://chelseanow.com/2014/09/cb4s-b....ZZMfomsZ.dpuf

NYguy posted some TiggerSnapper photos over @ SSP. I've reposted one below. Looking NE from the SW corner of 34th & 11Th (not far from the opening soon northern entrance of the High Line at the Rail Yards). The pile of excavated fill seems taller & they have stacked? construction trailers:

sometime between 9.05 and 9.08.2014

TiggerSnapper "A few days in New York 05/09-08/09. Exploring Manhattan. Something yellow?" https://www.flickr.com/photos/tigger...n/photostream/

AND TiggerSnapper created a montage of the High Line at the Rail Yards northern terminus (green painted plywood barriers) area on the south side of 34th street:


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Old September 12th, 2014, 11:18 PM   #777
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Mr. Megabus is scary...and pink.
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Old September 13th, 2014, 01:16 AM   #778
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Mr. Megabus is scary...and pink.
I have never been on one of these modern buses. AFAIK they are less expensive than taking Amtrak along the NorthEastCorridor.

You would trade off the outdoor amenities of W34th for the indoor amenities of Amtrak in Penn Station, 3 avenues east of these bus stops.

8.14.2014 Amtrak Concourse NY Penn Station; Amtrak also has a seating area off to one side.


There really is a lot of transportation in this area and I believe the 7 subway extension WILL open, someday in 2015. Along with Phase I of Hudson Park & Boulevard.
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I have never been on one of these modern buses. AFAIK they are less expensive than taking Amtrak along the NorthEastCorridor.

You would trade off the outdoor amenities of W34th for the indoor amenities of Amtrak in Penn Station, 3 avenues east of these bus stops.

8.14.2014 Amtrak Concourse NY Penn Station; Amtrak also has a seating area off to one side.


There really is a lot of transportation in this area and I believe the 7 subway extension WILL open, someday in 2015. Along with Phase I of Hudson Park & Boulevard.
Ah the rathole surfaces again. I think it's time for someone to get the ball rolling on the ol' Farley station. That place is so awful.. a pigeon pooped on me in there once.
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Megabus is not too bad, but it's definitely a young man's game. I've taken it to Boston and DC numerous times.
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