Lumiere & Criterion OR Eastgate & Manc Beetham?

LeedsLad · November 2nd, 2007, 02:12 AM

Which of these 2 would you rather have...

Proposed in Leeds:
Criterion Place 53 & 33 storeys (approx 180m & 120m):

Lumiere 54 & 32 storey (approx 171m & 112m):

Proposed in Manc:

Beetham 50 storey 150m:

Eastgate 58 storey 188m:

LeedsLad · November 2nd, 2007, 02:15 AM

Although Eastgate has the edge on height, the 2 Manc proposals boxyness is beaten by the curves of the Leeds towers for me, with Crtierion steets ahead of all the other 3 proposals.

PS please try to avoid Leeds v Manc nonsense, just the merits of the towers pls.

Subliving · November 2nd, 2007, 02:15 AM

Someone close this thread please, it really isn't a good idea.

Subliving.

Its AlL gUUd · November 2nd, 2007, 02:28 AM

how long will this thread last?

but heres hoping for some constructive posts

LeedsLad · November 2nd, 2007, 02:29 AM

I think if people can be adult about it it can work - I'd be interested to see if people prefer the record breaking height (Manc) or better deseign (Leeds (IMO)).
I will happily admit I would love Leeds to be having a 188m tower, and that I would love either Manc tower in Leeds, but having said that, I prefer the 2 we have...

Chogmook · November 2nd, 2007, 02:33 AM

Well, Manc Beetham is the only one built, so us Mancs, like it or not are stuck with it.

But i'd certainly welcome a Criterion Shaped, Piccadilly Tower height tower!

wiggleyleeds · November 2nd, 2007, 02:46 AM

oh dear this wasnt a good idea.

However, if people can be adult about it, in the real world it shouldnt be a problem lol.

Me personally, The Leeds designs easily. Firstly, they are my favourite of all the regional talls.. and if they were built somewhere else they would still be my favourite. Secondly, they are 4 towers in total, rather than just 2. This means, they are already a cluster of 5 with BWP.

The problem with skyscrapers +150m in both leeds and mancs is that they are much taller than everything else on the skyline. This, imo, can make them look out of place as they are not stepped to such a height. The advantage of the Leeds designs is that they are both dual towers, allowing for stepped height, easing the eye to such height.. if that makes sense lol !

Its AlL gUUd · November 2nd, 2007, 02:50 AM

well its a bit unfair as leeds has 4 towers on show whereas Manc has 2.....

Subliving · November 2nd, 2007, 02:52 AM

Oh fuck it, here we go.

I'm voting for the Leeds towers. In my opinion, Criterion on its own would win, even if coupled with Opal 1. The design is superior to anything that's on the drawing boards at the moment, and the dual tower aspect (thank you Wiggley, I'm uneasy about saying 'twin' about this sort of scheme) does seem to add a certain panache to the design. As Wiggley said, it makes sense of a ridiculously huge tower which would otherwise stick out like a sore thumb.

That said, there is so much high rise going up in Manchester right now that your towers would not stick out so much.

However, it's the shapes that I really like on my side of the pennines, something a bit different which I don't think has really been done outside of London. Plus, the overhand on Beetham turns me right off the Manchester duo as it looks cumbersome and awkward. I think Criterion handles its overhand much better.

Subliving.

danz013 · November 2nd, 2007, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subliving

Oh fuck it, here we go.

I'm voting for the Leeds towers. In my opinion, Criterion on its own would win, even if coupled with Opal 1.

Leeds for me too.. im not concerned with the high as much as i am the design

jrb · November 2nd, 2007, 05:04 AM

Not just saying this because I'm from Manchester, but I prefer 'boxed' shaped towers. They give a skyline more baulk and strength. Yes, the Leeds proposals do look nicer, but I can't stand towers that have points and angles.(Dubai, etc) They date faster and make the skyline look messy. Give me brutal tower blocks anytime. (New York, Chicago, etc)

Boards · November 2nd, 2007, 05:09 AM

Ah, a fan of the classics, 1930's Manhatten will never ever be equalled for me

Dan B · November 2nd, 2007, 05:35 AM

One, Two, Three, Four,
I Declare a Flame War,
One, Two, Three...

Personally I'm going with the Leeds one's.

mikey23 · November 2nd, 2007, 10:56 AM

Although i do like the Leeds one's, i agree with jrb about the angular buildings, and ive started to dislike Lumiere slightly. Eastgate for me is a beauty, it looks classy, and im damn jealous of the Mancs and because of that im voting for Manchester.

Telfordboy · November 2nd, 2007, 11:10 AM

I prefer the shape of Lumiere and Criterion to the two Manc towers. However I'm not to keen on Lumieres cladding from the renders I have seen, it looks a bit fussy imo. I think the cladding on Eastgate could be great.

Its pretty tough but I'd have to go with Leeds.

yoshef · November 2nd, 2007, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrb

Not just saying this because I'm from Manchester, but I prefer 'boxed' shaped towers. They give a skyline more baulk and strength. Yes, the Leeds proposals do look nicer, but I can't stand towers that have points and angles.(Dubai, etc) They date faster and make the skyline look messy. Give me brutal tower blocks anytime. (New York, Chicago, etc)

have to agree with jrb here, and the two manchester towers suit manchester more than the two leeds proposals will suit leeds.

Veinticinco · November 2nd, 2007, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrb

Not just saying this because I'm from Manchester, but I prefer 'boxed' shaped towers. They give a skyline more baulk and strength. Yes, the Leeds proposals do look nicer, but I can't stand towers that have points and angles.(Dubai, etc) They date faster and make the skyline look messy. Give me brutal tower blocks anytime. (New York, Chicago, etc)

What he said.

I know being from Liverpool I should choose whoever-is-against-manchester but I just can't be as enthusiastic about criterion place or lumiere as other people, especially lumiere. To me, they both look awkward, they just don't look right to me, I can't explain why really. I also think they will date fast, they look over-designed in a bid to be different. Like jrb says they will look messy on the skyline.

up the tigers · November 2nd, 2007, 01:58 PM

The best proposal for me has to be Eastgate, it is the typical shape for a skyscraper (sides going straight up, no bits jutting out half way up). Some may say its a bit boxy but thats what has made cities like New York and Chicago iconic so why cant it now in the 21st Century. I'm not a fan of Beetham, it looks a bit top heavy and although Criterion overhangs in the middle it does not look top heavy. Does anyone know are the Criterion towers directly opposite each other or in the render is one further forward than the other. The thing is with two towers of the same shape facing each other it looks a bit wierd. I like the taller tower of Lumiere but probably not the shorter one.

wiggleyleeds · November 2nd, 2007, 05:49 PM

gawd, i can see people are using fake profiles now to boost numbers. *waves at LaLov and MrKite*

yoshef · November 2nd, 2007, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiggleyleeds

gawd, i can see people are using fake profiles now to boost numbers. *waves at LaLov and MrKite*

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View Poll Results: Criterion & Lumiere OR Manc Beetham & Eastgate?
Criterion & Lumiere	35	66.04%
Manc Beetham & Eastgate	18	33.96%
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November 2nd, 2007, 02:12 AM	#1
LeedsLad Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,767 Likes (Received): 0	Lumiere & Criterion OR Eastgate & Manc Beetham? Which of these 2 would you rather have... Proposed in Leeds: Criterion Place 53 & 33 storeys (approx 180m & 120m): Lumiere 54 & 32 storey (approx 171m & 112m): Proposed in Manc: Beetham 50 storey 150m: Eastgate 58 storey 188m:

November 2nd, 2007, 02:15 AM	#3
Subliving Leeds Leads Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Leeds & London Posts: 1,960 Likes (Received): 11	Someone close this thread please, it really isn't a good idea. Subliving. __________________ You smell of poo.

November 2nd, 2007, 02:28 AM	#4
Its AlL gUUd Cute but Psycho... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 5,653 Likes (Received): 11	how long will this thread last? but heres hoping for some constructive posts __________________ I T S Y L O N D O N 2 0 1 2 O L Y M P I C G A M E S Inspire A Generation Say hello to my little friend, Itsy Bitsy....

November 2nd, 2007, 02:33 AM	#6
Chogmook Mancunian Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Stalybridge, Manchester Posts: 6,155 Likes (Received): 13	Well, Manc Beetham is the only one built, so us Mancs, like it or not are stuck with it. But i'd certainly welcome a Criterion Shaped, Piccadilly Tower height tower! __________________ Britain is Great, Manchester is Greater!

November 2nd, 2007, 02:29 AM	#5
LeedsLad Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,767 Likes (Received): 0	I think if people can be adult about it it can work - I'd be interested to see if people prefer the record breaking height (Manc) or better deseign (Leeds (IMO)). I will happily admit I would love Leeds to be having a 188m tower, and that I would love either Manc tower in Leeds, but having said that, I prefer the 2 we have...

November 2nd, 2007, 02:46 AM	#7
wiggleyleeds wiggledypiggleypuddinghed Join Date: May 2007 Location: Leeds Posts: 10,602 Likes (Received): 18	oh dear this wasnt a good idea. However, if people can be adult about it, in the real world it shouldnt be a problem lol. Me personally, The Leeds designs easily. Firstly, they are my favourite of all the regional talls.. and if they were built somewhere else they would still be my favourite. Secondly, they are 4 towers in total, rather than just 2. This means, they are already a cluster of 5 with BWP. The problem with skyscrapers +150m in both leeds and mancs is that they are much taller than everything else on the skyline. This, imo, can make them look out of place as they are not stepped to such a height. The advantage of the Leeds designs is that they are both dual towers, allowing for stepped height, easing the eye to such height.. if that makes sense lol !

November 2nd, 2007, 02:50 AM	#8
Its AlL gUUd Cute but Psycho... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 5,653 Likes (Received): 11	well its a bit unfair as leeds has 4 towers on show whereas Manc has 2..... __________________ I T S Y L O N D O N 2 0 1 2 O L Y M P I C G A M E S Inspire A Generation Say hello to my little friend, Itsy Bitsy....

November 2nd, 2007, 02:52 AM	#9
Subliving Leeds Leads Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Leeds & London Posts: 1,960 Likes (Received): 11	Oh fuck it, here we go. I'm voting for the Leeds towers. In my opinion, Criterion on its own would win, even if coupled with Opal 1. The design is superior to anything that's on the drawing boards at the moment, and the dual tower aspect (thank you Wiggley, I'm uneasy about saying 'twin' about this sort of scheme) does seem to add a certain panache to the design. As Wiggley said, it makes sense of a ridiculously huge tower which would otherwise stick out like a sore thumb. That said, there is so much high rise going up in Manchester right now that your towers would not stick out so much. However, it's the shapes that I really like on my side of the pennines, something a bit different which I don't think has really been done outside of London. Plus, the overhand on Beetham turns me right off the Manchester duo as it looks cumbersome and awkward. I think Criterion handles its overhand much better. Subliving. __________________ You smell of poo.

November 2nd, 2007, 05:04 AM	#11
jrb 10th February 2008 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 26,320 Likes (Received): 251	Not just saying this because I'm from Manchester, but I prefer 'boxed' shaped towers. They give a skyline more baulk and strength. Yes, the Leeds proposals do look nicer, but I can't stand towers that have points and angles.(Dubai, etc) They date faster and make the skyline look messy. Give me brutal tower blocks anytime. (New York, Chicago, etc) Last edited by jrb; November 2nd, 2007 at 10:10 AM.

November 2nd, 2007, 05:09 AM	#12
Boards Cunty Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In the Screaming Trees Posts: 9,025 Likes (Received): 46	Ah, a fan of the classics, 1930's Manhatten will never ever be equalled for me __________________ I've always been considered an asshole for about as long as I can remember. That's just my style.

November 2nd, 2007, 05:35 AM	#13
Dan B BAND Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bradford/Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 2,734 Likes (Received): 0	One, Two, Three, Four, I Declare a Flame War, One, Two, Three... Personally I'm going with the Leeds one's. __________________ ''There are only two things in the world that give us absolute total happiness, one is unwrapping a newly bought CD and the other is seeing other people fail'' http://www.flickr.com/photos/danbrassington/

November 2nd, 2007, 10:56 AM	#14
mikey23 . Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Posts: 2,138 Likes (Received): 3	Although i do like the Leeds one's, i agree with jrb about the angular buildings, and ive started to dislike Lumiere slightly. Eastgate for me is a beauty, it looks classy, and im damn jealous of the Mancs and because of that im voting for Manchester. __________________ A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit.

November 2nd, 2007, 11:10 AM	#15
Telfordboy Fus-Ro-Dah! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Yo' mama! Posts: 10,587 Likes (Received): 6	I prefer the shape of Lumiere and Criterion to the two Manc towers. However I'm not to keen on Lumieres cladding from the renders I have seen, it looks a bit fussy imo. I think the cladding on Eastgate could be great. Its pretty tough but I'd have to go with Leeds.

November 2nd, 2007, 01:58 PM	#18
up the tigers Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kingston Upon Hull Posts: 3,291 Likes (Received): 0	The best proposal for me has to be Eastgate, it is the typical shape for a skyscraper (sides going straight up, no bits jutting out half way up). Some may say its a bit boxy but thats what has made cities like New York and Chicago iconic so why cant it now in the 21st Century. I'm not a fan of Beetham, it looks a bit top heavy and although Criterion overhangs in the middle it does not look top heavy. Does anyone know are the Criterion towers directly opposite each other or in the render is one further forward than the other. The thing is with two towers of the same shape facing each other it looks a bit wierd. I like the taller tower of Lumiere but probably not the shorter one.

November 2nd, 2007, 05:49 PM	#19
wiggleyleeds wiggledypiggleypuddinghed Join Date: May 2007 Location: Leeds Posts: 10,602 Likes (Received): 18	gawd, i can see people are using fake profiles now to boost numbers. waves at LaLov and MrKite

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