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Old March 25th, 2012, 01:35 AM   #201
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Old March 26th, 2012, 08:06 AM   #202
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Anyone know where this road is... youtube

It looks pretty phenomenal. I'd love to drive it some day.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 09:03 AM   #203
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Anyone know where this road is... youtube

It looks pretty phenomenal. I'd love to drive it some day.
TRANSALPINA - ROMANIA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyF2Q...eature=related
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Old March 26th, 2012, 09:33 AM   #204
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My message does remain the same: act against excesses both on the Stelvio and in those city centres, leave the minor stuff apart.
Apparently they decided the price to drive Stelvio pass:
http://www.ladige.it/articoli/2012/0...euro-settimana

Only from Alto Adige/Südtirol side, there will be a weekly vignette at 8€/week or a seasonal one at 60€/week. Climbing the Lombardy side will remain free.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 05:35 PM   #205
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8 Euros per week is imo o.k. and i hope they will spend the money for a better road
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Old March 26th, 2012, 05:39 PM   #206
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8 Euros per week is imo o.k. and i hope they will spend the money for a better road
Considering that this is the only way to get from one valley to another, and that this is open only in summer, I think this is pure and simple robbery.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #207
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Considering that this is the only way to get from one valley to another, and that this is open only in summer, I think this is pure and simple robbery.
maybe but this road is it worth,passo stelvio is the king of alpine roads
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Old March 26th, 2012, 05:47 PM   #208
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Why per week? How many people will drive this pass more than once, but in a timespan limited to a week?
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Old March 26th, 2012, 05:51 PM   #209
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maybe but this road is it worth,passo stelvio is the king of alpine roads
Passo Stelvio is a SS road, and has its own fundings as such. It does not need extra money. This is just greed from Südtirolers.

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Why per week? How many people will drive this pass more than once, but in a timespan limited to a week?
Ditto.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #210
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Why per week? How many people will drive this pass more than once, but in a timespan limited to a week?
I know quite a few skiers which would do so. Including me, sooner or later.
(Stelvio is the only summer ski resort in the Alps that is open during summer only)
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Old March 26th, 2012, 07:44 PM   #211
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I'm in favor of putting tolls on Alpine passes, IF and only IF the funds are used to keep the road in good condition AND opened more weeks per year.

Passo Stelvio was once opened year-round as it was part of the "Milan to Vienna" road.

Passo del Rombo, for instance, charges € 14 but is rather cool, well maintained, properly signaled and have some nice art/panoramic installations.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 08:00 PM   #212
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I'm in favor of putting tolls on Alpine passes, IF and only IF the funds are used to keep the road in good condition AND opened more weeks per year.

Passo Stelvio was once opened year-round as it was part of the "Milan to Vienna" road.

Passo del Rombo, for instance, charges € 14 but is rather cool, well maintained, properly signaled and have some nice art/panoramic installations.
How dis they manage to keep it open in the past? Why now they couldn't (and is the same for many lower passes)?
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How dis they manage to keep it open in the past? Why now they couldn't (and is the same for many lower passes)?
It's not so much a question of "can" but "why". A lot of pass roads were doubled by tunnels or motorways which at times take a small detour.
In the case of Stelvio (which was open during winters untill 1959), at the beginning this was motivated by creating a domestic connection to Lombardy (which was ruled by Austria at the time of the construction). Apparently, it wasn't open for cars but for horse sleds only untill the end (So, strictly speaking, the problem of snow plowing was inexistent). Furthermore, 9900m of wooden avalanche galleries existed. The problem of massive snowfalls is even nowadays quite serious, just have a look at the effort they put in reopening the Großglocknerstraße (or any other pass of similar height) year by year. It would be neither feasible nor economic keeping such a road open around the year.
Obviously, crossing a 2700m high pass with a sled wasn't competitive afterwards as mass motorization has kicked off in Italy as well in the fifties even in that case where you have to take a long detour to get from Bolzano to Sondrio.

(info on Stelvio during winter in German: http://www.suedtirol-it.com/ortlerge...ochstrasse.htm)
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Old March 27th, 2012, 01:34 AM   #214
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Why per week? How many people will drive this pass more than once, but in a timespan limited to a week?
When you are in a Hotel in Pfunds,Nauders,Reschen or so the probability that you will drive the road more often then once is prety big.i bet there are people that are staying one week in Nauders and drive the road almost every day
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Old March 28th, 2012, 10:17 AM   #215
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Thanks. I'm familiar with Transalpina but I had no idea it was one and the same. Very cool.
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Old March 28th, 2012, 10:49 AM   #216
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I just watched both videos, and in the music video that is NOT Transalpina. The rocks are barren and red, while the stones on the Transalpina are grey and covered in grass. The music video clip looks to be from a dry desert environment like somewhere in North Africa.

Anyway the Transalpina is pretty fabulous in itself, but I would still like to know where the other road is.

Here are both vids again.
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the music video(the mountain road starts @2:23
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Old March 28th, 2012, 02:35 PM   #217
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Because of the markings, I'd say its somewhere in (Northern) America.
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Old March 29th, 2012, 01:27 AM   #218
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I'm familiar with Transalpina but I had no idea it was one and the same.
"Transalpina" is also a railway in Slovenia.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 05:28 PM   #219
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Will the Passo Stelvio now remain open,i mean they cleaned all the snow for the Giro d´Italia race,or is it closed again
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Lots of webcams on Stelvio and surroundings:
http://www.firenzemeteo.com/webcam_alpi.htm
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