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Old January 23rd, 2011, 03:27 PM   #2001
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On the other hand population density in Hron valley proper (not counting adjacent mountains) is pretty high and car usage in Slovakia will grow much faster than in the NL. In 15 years R1 could by quite crowded. Not to mention older section would need general reconstruction sooner or latter (Trnava - Nitra, Žiar nad Hronom - Zvolen - Banská Bystrica). It would make sense to upgrade them on 2x3 then as it's planned in case of the old section of D1 and D2.
I bet in next 10 years section Zvolen-Banská Bystrica will be really crowded so upgrade to 2x3 may become needed really soon. Even if the section Banská Bystrica - Ružomberok (D1) will be build (in year 2030 maybe ).

Lucky, there is enough space for it - http://goo.gl/maps/CYtW

Well, in Slovakia next sections which might need another lanes are - D2 Bratislava - Malacky and R1 Trnava - Nitra
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Old January 23rd, 2011, 03:39 PM   #2002
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Old January 23rd, 2011, 11:49 PM   #2003
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I bet in next 10 years section Zvolen-Banská Bystrica will be really crowded so upgrade to 2x3 might become as an idea really soon. Even if the section Banská Bystrica - Ružomberok (D1) will be build (in year 2030 maybe ).

Lucky, there is enough space for it - http://goo.gl/maps/CYtW

Well, in Slovakia next sections which might need another lanes are - D2 Bratislava - Malacky and R1 Trnava - Nitra
There isn't space for proper 2x3 (with at least 2.5 m wide hard shoulder), but hard shoulder could be interrupted under overpasses to reduce cost of the upgrade.

But, in case of R1 priority after its completion should be construction of parallel roads where missing. Only then we can think about upgrade to 2x3. The busiest sections of R1 are those without parallel road.
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Old January 23rd, 2011, 11:58 PM   #2004
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Continuous shoulders are the best solution, because that way emergency services can still arrive the scene of an accident in case of a stationary traffic jam. This is especially recommended for roads with high traffic volumes because then traffic jams build faster than emergency services arrive. The cheap way is to add another 1.5 m of shoulder, but leave the bridges and overpasses as they are.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 01:52 AM   #2005
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There isn't space for proper 2x3 (with at least 2.5 m wide hard shoulder), but hard shoulder could be interrupted under overpasses to reduce cost of the upgrade.

But, in case of R1 priority after its completion should be construction of parallel roads where missing. Only then we can think about upgrade to 2x3. The busiest sections of R1 are those without parallel road.
I think the another aim after ist completion might (should) be upgrade of entire R1 between Banská Bystrica and Žiar nad Hronom. It used to be a first class road so not everything is as it should be. "By-pass" of Banská Bystrica even doesn't look like R road at all.

Of course, I fully agree with you.
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Old January 24th, 2011, 07:14 PM   #2006
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In country with landscape like Slovakia are full sized shoulder really waste of money, respectively, choosing not to build them saves a significant amount of money in respect to ground works, bridges, tunnels etc.

But I must add that in this case I wanna see SOS niches let's say each 1000 or 1500 m. And with proper width, at least 5 m, that also truck can fit here to change a tyre safely without interferring with traffic in right lane. I'm missing this in CZ as well...
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Old January 24th, 2011, 10:41 PM   #2007
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In country with landscape like Slovakia are full sized shoulder really waste of money, respectively, choosing not to build them saves a significant amount of money in respect to ground works, bridges, tunnels etc.

But I must add that in this case I wanna see SOS niches let's say each 1000 or 1500 m. And with proper width, at least 5 m, that also truck can fit here to change a tyre safely without interferring with traffic in right lane. I'm missing this in CZ as well...
Full hard shoulder is never a waste of money. We are talking here about additional 2 metres (R 24.5 instead of R 22.5 which means 2.5 m vs. 1.5 m wide shoulder) which could totally change traffic safety. At least SOS niches are necessary in this case.

BTW, there are no tunnels at R1 and size of earthworks and number of bridges is significantly reduced when compared to e.g. D1 thanks to the lower design speed. Wide hard shoulders would be kind of compensation for this lower quality.

Anyway, R1 is basically finished and noone is going to build neither SOS niches nor wider hard shoulder there. This road will be upgraded after quite some years when 4 lanes won't be enough. But, it will be hell expensive upgrade.
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 06:23 PM   #2008
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a bit older, but perfect video of R1 from bird view
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Old February 3rd, 2011, 03:51 PM   #2009
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640 mil of EU funds transferred to highways

This week Slovak government agreed to transfer additional 640 mil EUR of EU funding from other programs to highways/motorways construction. EU administrative should approve/deny this transfer in 5 months.
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Old February 18th, 2011, 04:24 PM   #2010
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According to Slovak Wikipedia, R1 Žarnovica - Šášovské Podhradie should've opened in January 2011. Does anybody know it's current status?
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Old February 18th, 2011, 05:11 PM   #2011
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It was opened on 20th January.

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Old February 18th, 2011, 06:58 PM   #2012
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Thanks I must've overlooked that.

By the way, are Diaľničný privádzač actually signed with PD numbers? (And why is the prefix PD and not DP?)
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Old February 18th, 2011, 10:27 PM   #2013
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Yup, it is great! And here's a couple of videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXTthKVFBpQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ZDD5hOQ-s

source: http://www.dialnice.info/viewtopic.p...t=1250#p118904
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Old February 19th, 2011, 08:59 AM   #2014
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Thanks I must've overlooked that.

By the way, are Diaľničný privádzač actually signed with PD numbers? (And why is the prefix PD and not DP?)
Did you mean this?


It is not officially used. This PD numbers are the product of stupidity in Slovak Road Maintenance. Some of these PD-roads are no more that 250 m long. Totally useless thing.
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Old February 19th, 2011, 10:58 AM   #2015
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those motorway feeders are usualy marked with number of nearest national road (I/61, I/18...)
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This motorway was proposed by Tomáš Baťa in 1938. You can find it in a book called "We are building a state for 40 000 000 million people" published in 1938.

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Weird, it wouldn't have reached neither Praha nor Bratislava. And 40 trillion people seems a tad too much for Czechoslovakia
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Interesting to see they used the name "Autostrada" in the early years. Sweden did this too for their Lund - Malmö motorväg when it opened in 1953.
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Weird, it wouldn't have reached neither Praha nor Bratislava. And 40 trillion people seems a tad too much for Czechoslovakia
It was just the main motorway planned to connect west and east. Later they wanted to build also motorway from Prague and From Brno to Bratislava.

40 million might be quite ok. Nowadays, on that land live about 17,6 million people so it will be just twice as much. But yes, 30 million might be ok but 40 is way to much. Btw, during the communism they were predicted that Bratislava will have about 1 million inhabitants in 2000. Nowadays, everyday in Bratislava might be just about 700 000 people (students, commuters etc.)

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Interesting to see they used the name "Autostrada" in the early years. Sweden did this too for their Lund - Malmö motorväg when it opened in 1953.
Autostrada was the word used for "diaľnica/dálnice". And "magistrála" means the main road (but usually more important). What we use nowadays, is just made up word from some office in Prague. "Autostrada" was not Slavic enough. Damn it.
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Autostrada was the word used for "diaľnica/dálnice". And "magistrála" means the main road (but usually more important). What we use nowadays, is just made up word from some office in Prague. "Autostrada" was not Slavic enough. Damn it.
What is bad on diaľnica? It was implied from word diaľka/dálka which means distance. And suffix -ica/-ice was "borrowed" from word železnica/železnice (railway, literally "iron road").

Absolutely natural process of enriching of vocabulary.
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