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Old July 18th, 2011, 02:56 PM   #2121
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There are even better examples of dispersed settlements in Slovakia.

Here: http://maps.google.sk/?ll=48.576721,...66047&t=h&z=15
or here: http://maps.google.sk/maps?q=myjava&...13495&t=h&z=15

But they don't prevent any infrastructure development since they are in the mountains where noone is going to build any new roads. Settlements in the valleys where roads are being built are concentrated. On the other hand, I think it's still cheaper to build a new road in Poland than in Slovakia. It's easier to demolish a house than to build all those expensive tunnels, cuts and bridges.
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Old July 18th, 2011, 03:04 PM   #2122
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Nah, that's not so bad.

How about: http://maps.google.nl/maps?hl=en&ll=...09863&t=h&z=14
Or: http://maps.google.nl/maps?hl=en&ll=...54324&t=h&z=13
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Old July 18th, 2011, 04:32 PM   #2123
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There are even better examples of dispersed settlements in Slovakia.
Of course there are. Only those are examples and don't cover the entire country

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On the other hand, I think it's still cheaper to build a new road in Poland than in Slovakia. It's easier to demolish a house than to build all those expensive tunnels, cuts and bridges.
Well, the point is that builiding road outside built-up areas you don't affect any entity directly which is difficult in Poland where complicated ownership possesing system was (and still is) one of the main reasons of slow and late development.

I'm not sure what is the situation in Slovakia. As far as I remember travelling across your country is just passing concentrated villages. Each settlement ends with the last house. In Poland you can pass by a sign with village's name but its builidings are scattered around within 1 km range. Thank's to lowland areas we don't spend a lot of money on cuttings or bridges but lots of people are to be moved as their homes are to be demolished.

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Old July 18th, 2011, 04:41 PM   #2124
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Yeahh. We should better not complain
But nothing strange if only look on population density in Netherland (400 per Square kilometre), Slovakia has 111 and Poland 122 per Square kilometre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lation_density

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Old July 18th, 2011, 07:55 PM   #2125
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Well, the point is that builiding road outside built-up areas you don't affect any entity directly which is difficult in Poland where complicated ownership possesing system was (and still is) one of the main reasons of slow and late development.

I'm not sure what is the situation in Slovakia. As far as I remember travelling across your country is just passing concentrated villages. Each settlement ends with the last house. In Poland you can pass by a sign with village's name but its builidings are scattered around within 1 km range. Thank's to lowland areas we don't spend a lot of money on cuttings or bridges but lots of people are to be moved as their homes are to be demolished.
In Slovakia we don't have to demolish many houses, but we are facing problems with land owners, who don't want to sell their properties to the state. Well, sometimes they have a good reason for their refusal, sometimes it's completely irrational. Some important projects were considerably delayed because of this.
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Old July 18th, 2011, 07:57 PM   #2126
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In Slovakia we don't have to demolish many houses, but we are facing problems with land owners, who don't want to sell their properties to the state. Well, sometimes they have a good reason for their refusal, sometimes it's completely irrational. Some important projects were considerably delayed because of this.
Do you also have problems with land owners that want a much higher price for their properties than they actually worth? We have this problems in Romania...
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Old July 18th, 2011, 07:59 PM   #2127
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Yeahh. We should better not complain
But nothing strange if only look on population density in Netherland (400 per Square kilometre), Slovakia has 111 and Poland 122 per Square kilometre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lation_density
That is in Belgium, whose urban planning became completely out of control. The Netherlands doesn't have this problem of scattered houses everywhere. (ribbon development).
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Old July 18th, 2011, 08:53 PM   #2128
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Do you also have problems with land owners that want a much higher price for their properties than they actually worth? We have this problems in Romania...
Some owners want more money, some are NIMBYs and they want to stop or at least delay construction and some owners simply don't want to sell their property under any circumstances.

There are also people, who are IMO right, when they don't want to sell their land. For example when state wants to buy let's say 90 % of their property, thus they would end up owning couple of square metres of worthless land next to the motorway. I've even heard state wanted to purchase only land needed for a pilar of bridge while the rest of the property should have remained in the ownership of the original owner. But land under motorway bridge is pretty much worthless too. These people usually want state to buy their entire property, but the state refuses to do so, as purchasing land which isn't 100 % necessary for motorway construction would allegedly be wasting of public resources.
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Old July 18th, 2011, 09:03 PM   #2129
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I believe this situation is quite usual elswhere. People usually estimates their properties by more than adjusters do.

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I've even heard state wanted to purchase only land needed for a pilar of bridge while the rest of the property should have remained in the ownership of the original owner. But land under motorway bridge is pretty much worthless too. These people usually want state to buy their entire property, but the state refuses to do so, as purchasing land which isn't 100 % necessary for motorway construction would allegedly be wasting of public resources.
In this case paying taxes by state would be proper. X money a year for using private property. I think that's what they do in case of ski lift's posts on slopes belonging to private owners.

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Old July 23rd, 2011, 10:54 AM   #2131
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Old July 24th, 2011, 12:49 PM   #2132
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Old July 31st, 2011, 10:49 PM   #2133
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couple photos across slovak 1st. class ways and highway D1:











































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Old July 31st, 2011, 10:53 PM   #2134
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I hate the TERN numbers. They just don't look right.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 07:00 AM   #2136
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Yes, pink. Someone thought it's good idea to use many different colors on D1, so it will look like big rainbow and gods above can laugh at us.
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Old August 1st, 2011, 06:15 PM   #2137
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pink color

The rumor is that the color of railing reflects color of a local flower, which turns meadows under Hight Tatras to magenta-pink.

Flower:
http://www.lenochodi.cz/batoh/wallpa...r-1024x768.jpg
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http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/p...ll/3260151.jpg
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maybe, but it's still damn ugly. Bright yellow near Zilina is also quite bad.
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Old August 8th, 2011, 01:19 AM   #2139
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I hate the TERN numbers. They just don't look right.
What are TERN numbers?


Something from Považská Bystrica. You can see the Považský Castle ruins on the right.




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Old August 8th, 2011, 02:12 AM   #2140
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What are TERN numbers?
I was wondering that too and Googled it. It's the new font used on Austrian signs. Stands for Trans European Road Network.

http://www.iiid.net/SOMS/Typeface%20Tern.aspx
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