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Old January 6th, 2013, 12:42 AM   #2621
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There are (or were) people who died after week or two after the accident. Question also is what is death? One's brain can be death within 24 hours after the accident, but medicine can keep the body alive for much longer time and official time of death (listed in documents) is when one's hearth stops beating.

But that's not the point. If someone gets seriously injured during the accident and then he dies due to his injuries, he is victim of the accident. That's what common sense says. It's absolutely irrelevant, whether it's 5 minutes or 5 months after it.
Of course and I never said otherwise, but I think that there are relatively few who die from their injuries later than 24 h. If you have statistics proving otherwise feel free to provide them.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 01:17 AM   #2622
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Of course and I never said otherwise, but I think that there are relatively few who die from their injuries later than 24 h. If you have statistics proving otherwise feel free to provide them.
Many victims of the accidents are kept "alive" as organ donors and extraction of organs (and official death) usually takes place more than 24 hours after the accident, so the number of 24 hours survivals may not be so low. OTOH people whose brain is still alive after 24 hours have good chance to survive. I'm unfortunately unable to provide you with exact statistics.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 01:13 PM   #2623
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Here you can find a long term statistics (1980-2011)
http://www.minv.sk/swift_data/source...20-%202011.pdf
Collumns are: Year, number of accidents, total deaths, serious inj., light inj., number of accidents with alcohol, dead pedestrians, dead cyclists

In year 2009, when methodology of what counts as a death, also the number of seriously injured dropped.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 02:08 PM   #2624
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Here you can find a long term statistics (1980-2011)
http://www.minv.sk/swift_data/source...20-%202011.pdf
Collumns are: Year, number of accidents, total deaths, serious inj., light inj., number of accidents with alcohol, dead pedestrians, dead cyclists

In year 2009, when methodology of what counts as a death, also the number of seriously injured dropped.
Thank you. Compared to 2008 number of light injuries decreased in 2009 by 22.8 %, number of serious injuries decreased by 22 %, number of deaths decreased by 37.8 %. IMO real number of seriously injured decreased more and number of victims decreased less. Fact is these figures are decreasing, but they are also adjusted by changed methodology. I have to revise my statement from previous page as my guess there was about 500 fatalities last year is incorrect, it's less, but it's definitely more than official 296.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 04:32 PM   #2625
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another pictures of R4 I've taken today:

begining near Kosice:



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Old January 6th, 2013, 05:05 PM   #2626
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Good thing is this section of R4 isn't actually very needed as the traffic south of Košice is mild and current road is quite good so even 5 years delay wouldn't really hurt. Another thing it on both ends this expressway is going to end on 2x1 bottlenecks and it will take few more years to eliminate them. To sum up, there's no reason to hurry.
When will the two bottlenecks be eliminated?
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Old January 6th, 2013, 08:12 PM   #2627
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When will the two bottlenecks be eliminated?
Southern bottleneck (in Hungary) not before 2024.

Northern bottleneck elimination – bypass of Šebastovce (road I/68) – is not planned in next years.

...so we call R4 "Field-to-Field expressway".
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Old January 8th, 2013, 07:03 PM   #2628
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At least the short section in Hungary starting at SK-HU border which will connect R4 to Hungarian road 3 near Tornyosnémeti should be build sooner than in 2024, right?

Concerning the northern bottleneck, I'm afraid R4 may be connected sooner to R2 (bypass of Košide) than to new 2x2 section of I/68.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 07:47 PM   #2629
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Nobody cares about conection between expressway bypasses and Kosice. National road companies think that 1+1 road or simple roundabout is suitable connection between 240.000-inhabitants city and main road network.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 08:34 PM   #2630
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There are (or were) people who died after week or two after the accident. Question also is what is death? One's brain can be death within 24 hours after the accident, but medicine can keep the body alive for much longer time and official time of death (listed in documents) is when one's hearth stops beating.

But that's not the point. If someone gets seriously injured during the accident and then he dies due to his injuries, he is victim of the accident. That's what common sense says. It's absolutely irrelevant, whether it's 5 minutes or 5 months after it.
I agree, to a point. You need to draw the line somewhere if you want to make such statistics, but 24 hours is of course ridiculous. I believe the Norwegian statistics include everyone who die within a month (I may be mistaken), which would cover most, if not all, instances.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 10:14 PM   #2631
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At least the short section in Hungary starting at SK-HU border which will connect R4 to Hungarian road 3 near Tornyosnémeti should be build sooner than in 2024, right?

Concerning the northern bottleneck, I'm afraid R4 may be connected sooner to R2 (bypass of Košide) than to new 2x2 section of I/68.
Sorry, I do not understand .

The connection R4 to road 3 should be this: > click <, isn't it?
This section will not be opened with the R4.sk? Does Slovakia build a temporary connection on Slavakian side?

The R2 bypass is here, but where is the 2x2 section of I/68? The eastern Kosice bypass to the D1 near Budimir (I/68)?
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yes we will build temporary connection near the old border crossing

when R4 Kosice - HU border is finished, this will be the only one 1+1 section on the way from Presov to Hungarian border: http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Ro...1,0&sz=17&z=13

bypass of Sebastovce would be easy and cheap, but nobody cares about that
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Old January 10th, 2013, 03:46 PM   #2633
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Old January 11th, 2013, 12:47 AM   #2634
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Old January 11th, 2013, 12:49 AM   #2635
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Old January 13th, 2013, 02:55 PM   #2636
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Old January 14th, 2013, 07:06 AM   #2637
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^Damn, looks like a bathroom from a third-world country
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Damn, looks like a bathroom from a third-world country
Looks to me like it's from a second-world country.
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Looks to me like it's from a second-world country.
Either way, in this day-and-age, something like this may probably be seen in say the poorest parts of Africa or in Haiti or some area of extreme poverty.

But definitely, not in a first-world/developed country like Slovakia.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 10:31 AM   #2640
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They have some problems with plot and owners at that motorway service, so nobosy is really taking care of it. btw i think that this turkish style toiletts can be much better in case of motorway service, they are much cleaner and u dont have to sit on it.
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