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Old October 25th, 2009, 09:58 PM   #901
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These are better pics, by the way.

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Old October 25th, 2009, 11:52 PM   #902
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I'm still amazed, that something that big was allowed to be built in the middle of the city. I know that other solutions would be even more expensive, but considering impact onto cityscape that sort of alignment would probably be rejected almost everywhere in Europe.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 02:53 AM   #903
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I thought those photos were already posted somewhere in this thread, but I'm too lazy to check it so if they weren't I apologize for not posting them here.

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I'm still amazed, that something that big was allowed to be built in the middle of the city. I know that other solutions would be even more expensive, but considering impact onto cityscape that sort of alignment would probably be rejected almost everywhere in Europe.
Come on, Považská Bystrica has no cityscape. It's just bunch of commieblocks in the middle of mountains. This is not the only case when motorway is built above inhabited area:

D1 in Bratislava:


I/59 in Banská Bystrica:


Viaduct Podtureň:


But, Považská Bystrica is special case anyway. In the beginning the motorway above the town was obviously refused. IMO "more expensive" variants bypassing the town using tunnels would be after all cheaper since it would be possible to avoid resistance and built the motorway much sooner. On the other hand, I don't think the motorway above the city would negatively affect life there.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 12:17 PM   #904
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I, personally, love these structures and would love having one near my house, but I must agree with keber - I can hardly imagine this being approved somewhere else in Europe! Slovakians must really be pro-roads, which is great, of course.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 01:18 PM   #905
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I, personally, love these structures
Hear hear.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 02:40 PM   #906
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c'mon, have you ever been to italy?...
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Old October 26th, 2009, 02:42 PM   #907
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I, personally, love these structures and would love having one near my house, but I must agree with keber - I can hardly imagine this being approved somewhere else in Europe! Slovakians must really be pro-roads, which is great, of course.
Well, the motorway is above built-up area for less then 400 meters. And it's not in the centre of the town, it's rather between the centre and peripheral residential and industrial quarters. Nevertheless, I don't think this the only such case in Europe. Map by Google: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...489dfac3aebbc9

Map from www.highways.sk


Here you can download .kmz file which will allow you to explore Považská Bystrica with the bridge in Google Earth. More information about this project (in Slovak): http://virtualna.povazska.com/index.php?zobraz=objekty

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Old October 26th, 2009, 07:51 PM   #908
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c'mon, have you ever been to italy?...
Those were built in a different time/mindsetting. Building a significant viaduct above a town of this size is really rare these days.

I think the inhabitants of Považská Bystrica rather have a viaduct than a congested center with all through traffic. After all, acoustically seen, the noise of an elevated motorway is similar to a depressed motorway; lower than a motorway at ground level.
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Old October 27th, 2009, 01:09 AM   #909
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I'm still amazed, that something that big was allowed to be built in the middle of the city. I know that other solutions would be even more expensive, but considering impact onto cityscape that sort of alignment would probably be rejected almost everywhere in Europe.
There was a case just in Hungary too in a similar way, but it was refused.
There should have been a motorway right through a little town. They chose a different way too build the motorway, took a decade and a + millions of euros to get the agreement/build the motorway-section, and it is on M7 the Köröshegy-viaduct.
The little town is Balatonföldvár.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 09:07 PM   #910
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I took some pictures of Köröshegy viaduct in summer:

http://www.dialnice.info/album_page.php?pic_id=6478
http://www.dialnice.info/album_page.php?pic_id=6477

Is it the longest viaduct in central Europe? What is the length of Povazska Bystrica's viaduct, by the way? I couldn't google that...
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Old October 29th, 2009, 11:36 PM   #911
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I took some pictures of Köröshegy viaduct in summer:

http://www.dialnice.info/album_page.php?pic_id=6478
http://www.dialnice.info/album_page.php?pic_id=6477

Is it the longest viaduct in central Europe? What is the length of Povazska Bystrica's viaduct, by the way? I couldn't google that...
So called Town Bridge (bridge nr. 206) is 968.58 m long. Whole elevated section which includes also viaduct above flooding area of river Váh is 3,080 m long. The highest pillar is 33 m tall.



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Old November 2nd, 2009, 04:53 PM   #912
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D1 Bratislava - Trnava upgrade

Three lanes are already in use between Bratislava and Senec in direction to Bratislava. Entire D1 between Bratislava and Trnava will be 2x3 in about two weeks.

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Source of the video: http://tvnoviny.sk/spravy/ekonomika/...vou.html#video

This is original alignment of the motorway:


Now the motorway is in temporary 2x3 alignment without hard shoulder. Final alignment (2x3 + shoulders + space reserve for 2x4 + collectors) will look like this:
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 05:00 PM   #913
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Nice, what's the AADT here?
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 05:32 PM   #914
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Nice, what's the AADT here?
Who knows. In 2005 there was more than 50,000 vehicles a day, now it's probably much more. Next traffic count will be next year.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 06:19 PM   #915
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Next traffic count will be next year.
Hmm, that's old fashion. Busy motorways require 24/7 monitoring/counting.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 06:32 PM   #916
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Hmm, that's old fashion. Busy motorways require 24/7 monitoring/counting.
Newer sections of the motorways have information system which probably provides also traffic data (although these are not published), but this stretch is 34 years old. The complex upgrade which will take place within few years will contain also addition of information system to entire Bratislava - Trnava section.

Interesting information about traffic flow (especially about trucks) may be provided also be electronic toll system which is going to be introduced since 1st January 2010.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 06:53 PM   #917
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Well, you need to close down the motorway one night to cut the induction loops into the pavement, et voila, you have a 24/7 monitoring possibility.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 08:44 PM   #918
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Well, you need to close down the motorway one night to cut the induction loops into the pavement, et voila, you have a 24/7 monitoring possibility.
Yes, but IMO it has no sense if the motorway is basically going to demolished and again built, because this is what will happen to his section.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 09:37 PM   #919
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Induction loops are extremely cheap. Here every traffic light intersection has few of them. And more or less every motorway section, old or new. Cost of such traffic count on two or three sections is negligible comparing to advantages even if just for few years.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 10:00 PM   #920
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Induction loops are extremely cheap. Here every traffic light intersection has few of them. And more or less every motorway section, old or new. Cost of such traffic count on two or three sections is negligible comparing to advantages even if just for few years.
I think they are in use also in Slovakia, but not at D1 between Bratislava and Trnava.
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