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Old December 5th, 2009, 04:49 PM   #1001
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But last year, I spend maybe 1 hour standing at jam at M0 bridge acros Danube. I think that this old part of M0 is the biggest problem now
yeah, the southern part of the M0 is a serious bottleneck, but fortunately the widening is underway...

(unfortunately the section with the danube bridges is NOT u/c...
there are problems with the tender... but we hope they can start construction soon...)
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Old December 5th, 2009, 05:20 PM   #1002
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IMPOZANTE!

What have you done with your NIMBYs?
They were punished by convict labour. Now they build motorways.

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I think the best compromise for now would be to at least build some expressway from Košice to Miskolc.

And maybe if you could get Hungary to turn the M2 into 2x2 and extend it further north...
Construction of expressway R4 from Košice to Hungarian border will start next year. Hungarians already built some bypasses on their road 3.

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nope, we dont want to upgrade it to an international corridor...

instead of it we want to build a north-south corridor bypassing budapest on the west side and crossing the border at estergom/sturovo...
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to be fair, M2 and M100 are just as unlikely in the near future, like 0 % in the next 20 years
This is indeed weird. Both countries are planning some north south connection, but while Slovaks want it in corridor of E77 via Šahy/Hont, Hungarians want to built it via Esztergom/Štúrovo. "Fortunately" construction of both is quite far future so we have time to reach some agreement. (The best solution will be construction of both.)

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I think nimbysm in slovakia isnt to strong...
They like to shortcut problems like Alexander the great...

heres a similar viaduct shortcut across village podturen:

http://www.podturen.sk/galeria/80-po...oroveho-rogala

Or look at bratislava: the two main motorway of the country goes straight thru the city, instead of bypassing it makig a very good artery for the city...
(ok, I know it is already overcrowded, so bypasses are necessary by now)

But hungary is the opposite: nimbysm is very strong here , so we are spending enormous money to bypass little villages...
e.g.: köröshegy:
As mapman said, it's quite complicated. Somewhere NIMBYs are pretty strong, but state eventually almost everytime wins, it only takes years like it was in case of Považská Bystrica or in case of R1 between Žarnovica and Žiar nad Hronom. But, there are projects which really shouldn't be built such as oil pipe line between refinery in Bratislava and refinery in Vienna which is supposed to cross the biggest natural fresh water reservoir in Slovakia Rye Island.

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it's nice to see, that even foreginers understand that
It's nice, but I doubt it would finally convince DrX he was wrong.

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Old December 5th, 2009, 06:51 PM   #1003
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They were punished by convict labour. Now they build motorways.
We should take care of them the same way...




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This is indeed weird. Both countries are planning some north south connection, but while Slovaks wont it in corridor of E77 via Šahy/Hont, Hungarians want to built it via Esztergom/Štúrovo. "Fortunately" construction of both is quite far future so we have time to reach some agreement. (The best solution will be construction of both.)
Agree
(I think we have changed the plans because want to avoid to build an expressway on that hilly terrain to Sahy...

Trucks are banned from the danube bridge at Sturovo so we need another bridge there (outside of the city) to allow truck traffic crossing the danube...

and of course a new bridge recquires nice new roads to connect...


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But, there are projects which really shouldn't be built such as oil pipe line between refinery in Bratislava and refinery in Vienna which is supposed to cross the biggest natural fresh water reservoir in Slovakia Rye Island.
why dont you put that pipe on the planned new danube bridge? (part of the new southern bratislava bypass)
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Old December 5th, 2009, 07:43 PM   #1004
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This is indeed weird. Both countries are planning some north south connection, but while Slovaks wont it in corridor of E77 via Šahy/Hont, Hungarians want to built it via Esztergom/Štúrovo. "Fortunately" construction of both is quite far future so we have time to reach some agreement. (The best solution will be construction of both.)
M10 and M0 will be built, so there will be a direct connection from ~Stúrovo to the HR border

this is 100 % because M0 will need to be closed
and M10 is needed for the region's heavy industries (Suzuki in Esztergom, cement factory in Nyergesújfalu, heavy industries in Dorog, paper factory and port at Lábatlan) plus for the heavy commuter traffic from ~100.000 pop to Budapest

and the new bridge over the Danube between Stúrovo and Esztergom is also needed to avoid the inner parts of the towns and the current bridge is not strong enough

so there will be a de-facto 2x2 connection from SK to HR through the M10-0-6 corridor


so it is understandable that we want this instead of the M2


regardless, M2 should be built, but much later
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Old December 5th, 2009, 07:49 PM   #1005
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Agree
(I think we have changed the plans because want to avoid to build an expressway on that hilly terrain to Sahy...

Trucks are banned from the danube bridge at Sturovo so we need another bridge there (outside of the city) to allow truck traffic crossing the danube...

and of course a new bridge recquires nice new roads to connect...
R3 Zvolen - Šahy already has some approvals, but for now few 2x1 bypasses would be just fine. There was also variant to Štúrovo/Esztergom, but it was cancelled. On the other hand, there is considered another expressway (probably R8) from Nitra to Komárom.

New bridge between Esztergom and Štúrovo should be built anyway, no matter if there will be some motorway in Hungary or Slovakia as its continuation. Present one is nice, but it's useless for trucks. It could be also railway bridge.

I think priorities should be upgrade of M15 to 2x2, new bridges between Komárno and Komárom, Štúrovo and Esztergom, improvement of Košice - Miskolc (R4 in Slovakia and some bypasses in Hungary) and some local roads. Possible M2 - R3 or M10 - Rx can wait.

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why dont you put that pipe on the planned new danube bridge? (part of the new southern bratislava bypass)
I think they want to put it there, but it's not a solution, eastern end of that bridge is at Rye Island. There must be built pipe line north of Danube.
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Old December 5th, 2009, 08:01 PM   #1006
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M10 and M0 will be built, so there will be a direct connection from ~Stúrovo to the HR border

this is 100 % because M0 will need to be closed
and M10 is needed for the region's heavy industries (Suzuki in Esztergom, cement factory in Nyergesújfalu, heavy industries in Dorog, paper factory and port at Lábatlan) plus for the heavy commuter traffic from ~100.000 pop to Budapest

and the new bridge over the Danube between Stúrovo and Esztergom is also needed to avoid the inner parts of the towns and the current bridge is not strong enough

so there will be a de-facto 2x2 connection from SK to HR through the M10-0-6 corridor


so it is understandable that we want this instead of the M2


regardless, M2 should be built, but much later
For Slovakia Zvolen - Šahy or Hronský Beňadik - Štúrovo are pretty much the same. Štúrovo variant could be even cheaper. Someone should send an e-mail to Ministry of Transportation and tell them.
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Old December 6th, 2009, 02:32 PM   #1007
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D1 Mengusovce - Jánovce

1 km long tunnel Bôrik was put in operation yesterday. Article which includes driving video: http://korzar.sme.sk/c/5141331/otvor...dialnicou.html




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Old December 6th, 2009, 02:40 PM   #1008
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D1 Sverepec - Vrtižer

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Old December 6th, 2009, 04:21 PM   #1009
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Awesome. Now you can drive 80 km from Ivachnová to Jánovce on motorway.
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Old December 6th, 2009, 06:28 PM   #1010
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Awesome. Now you can drive 80 km from Ivachnová to Jánovce on motorway.
Sure! Northern D1 is now as long as entire D2.
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Old December 7th, 2009, 02:11 AM   #1011
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Tunel Branisko - D1

The tunnel is 4975 m long. The road in the tunnel is 7.5 m wide, with 1 m wide sidewalks on both sides; maximum height is 4.5 m, maximum gradient is 1.2%. The maximum allowed speed in tunnel is 80 km/h

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Borik and Branisko have the same speed limit. Also, it looks like such a low speed limit is also 500 meters or more before the tunnel Borik. Does every tunnel in Slovakia has such speed limit? How fast people usually drive thru them?
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Old December 7th, 2009, 09:10 AM   #1013
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Are they already building a second tube for the tunnel?
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Are they already building a second tube for the tunnel?
No. It's planned, but nobody knows when the constuction will start...
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Old December 7th, 2009, 06:33 PM   #1015
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What is 503 km from the Poprad airport interchange? It doesn't seem to be Bratislava nor Prague.
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Old December 7th, 2009, 06:40 PM   #1017
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What is 503 km from the Poprad airport interchange? It doesn't seem to be Bratislava nor Prague.
It is from Prague, according to original route project from 80's...

As previously said by authorities, the numbering system on this northern part of D1 will be changed to "0 in Bratislava" system after the completion of all stretches in between, so this one now stays as provisional...
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Old December 7th, 2009, 09:25 PM   #1018
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Borik and Branisko have the same speed limit. Also, it looks like such a low speed limit is also 500 meters or more before the tunnel Borik. Does every tunnel in Slovakia has such speed limit? How fast people usually drive thru them?
Every motorway tunnel in Slovakia has speed limit 80 km/h. It's difficult to say how fast people usually drive there since there are only two double tube tunnels now - Sitina and Bôrik. Sitina is part of urban D2 with speed limit 90 km/h (the tunnel has 80 km/h) but actual speed depends on traffic density. I haven't driven through Bôrik, but I guess people respect speed limit there at least for now because it's new. However, I think soon there will plenty of cars driving 100 km/h.

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Second tube of Branisko is already built. It serves for emergency purposes.
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Old December 7th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #1019
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actual speed depends on traffic density.
That's called "floor it to capacity"

I think they might have put this 80 km/h limit in place to get a lower V85.

The V85 is the percentage of traffic not exceeding a certain speed. For instance, at a speed limit of 50 km/h, a V85 of 55 km/h is quite reasonable. I have done some speed checks where the V85 was 92 km/h at a Vmax of 60.

For instance, if the Vmax=80, the V85 may be 95 and you have a reasonably safe speed of traffic. If the Vmax=100 in those tunnels, V85 may be around 115 km/h, which becomes more dangerous.
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I have done some speed checks where the V85 was 92 km/h at a Vmax of 60.
That indicates that speed limit is set wrong. They often use V85 to make appropriate speed limit to include general driving pattern on particular section.
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