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Old January 18th, 2010, 12:57 AM   #1161
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Actually, Austria is far more expensive (€ 0,33 per km, regardless of emission class). 450 km in Austria would cost € 148,50, as opposed to € 87 in Slovakia.

Nothing beats Switzerland though, tolls can be as high as € 0,68 per km for the regular full-size truck. 450 km in Switzerland would cost € 306.

German truck toll is cheaper than in Slovakia at € 0,15 per km. The Czech premid system is comparable to Germany, so yes, Slovakia is quite expensive compared to most countries, except for the anti-economic growth countries that are called Austria and Switzerland.
So is Slovakia anti-economic growth country too? I don't know details about toll in Austria and Switzerland. Are there tolled also national roads which aren't parallel to motorways and expressway or which aren't even E roads like it's in Slovakia? Map.

According to this Slovak toll is in case of smaller vehicles more expensive than Austrian:




SR - Slovakia, ČR - Czech Republic, Rakúsko - Austria

Počet náprav - Number of axles


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when did SK left vignette system for trucks? i remember it costed 11€ or 300SKK per day
Slovakia left vignette system for vehicles above 3.5 t on 31 December 2009. In 2009 one day vignette costed 8,60 € (3.5 - 12 t) or 10 € (more than 12 t).

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Old January 18th, 2010, 01:06 AM   #1162
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oh ok, that's new stuff, i was affraid that vignettes are off for longer time allready
but i admit - i forgot about € in SK so i mentioned old price in SKK
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Old January 18th, 2010, 01:22 AM   #1163
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oh ok, that's new stuff, i was affraid that vignettes are off for longer time allready
but i admit - i forgot about € in SK so i mentioned old price in SKK
Euro is so old, I barely remember we had different currency before.

BTW, first accident in recently opened tunnel Bôrik. Driver probably fell asleep and he hit SOS niche in quite high speed, fortunately he was alone in the car and he wasn't seriously injured. Traffic in the tunnel was very low.

Video: http://tvnoviny.sk/bin/tv/?media_id=2124003

Another video here: http://korzar.sme.sk/c/5197093/v-tun...va-nehoda.html
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Old January 18th, 2010, 02:45 AM   #1164
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How many kilometres of D and R roads do you have today ?
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Old January 18th, 2010, 03:25 PM   #1165
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How many kilometres of D and R roads do you have today ?
409 km of motorways, 113 km of 2x2 expressways and 43 km of 2x1 expressways.

522 km are 2x2 motorways and expressways combined.
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Old January 18th, 2010, 04:18 PM   #1166
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409 km of motorways, 113 km of 2x2 expressways and 43 km of 2x1 expressways.

522 km are 2x2 motorways and expressways combined.

2x2 - 512 km that`s really good result , It`s same result like in Czech Republic , in CZ they have 2x2 about 1000 km but 2x more people what should mean 2x more taxes and 2x bigger budget. As well motorways
in SK are probably newer and better compared to D1 Praha - Brno
and the other sections built in CZ many years ago
plus some Slovak motorways are in very difficult terrain
so yes 512 km 2x2 is very good.
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Old January 18th, 2010, 06:30 PM   #1167
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is big difference between motorway and motorway. all motorways in czech republic make connections between praha and big cities expect ceske budejovice and major part of population, but in slovakia we have cca 100 km motorway in nord, 30 km motorway in east and cca 65 km expressways in central Sk "from anywhere to nowhere" and cca 80 km federal motorway in west used mainly for cross border connection.
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Old January 18th, 2010, 06:39 PM   #1168
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2x2 - 512 km that`s really good result , It`s same result like in Czech Republic , in CZ they have 2x2 about 1000 km but 2x more people what should mean 2x more taxes and 2x bigger budget. As well motorways
in SK are probably newer and better compared to D1 Praha - Brno
and the other sections built in CZ many years ago
plus some Slovak motorways are in very difficult terrain
so yes 512 km 2x2 is very good.
It's 522 km.

It's not that bad, but we need much more. Advantage of Czech Republic is it has higher population density (it has almost two times bigger population but not two times bigger territory, thus one km of motorway can serve more people).

Fortunately there's not a single section of Slovak motorway which can be compared to Czech so called motorway D1. There are some pretty old sections which aren't smoothest, but they are in better shape than some sections of D1 in Czech Republic.
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Old January 18th, 2010, 08:15 PM   #1169
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is big difference between motorway and motorway. all motorways in czech republic make connections between praha and big cities expect ceske budejovice and major part of population, but in slovakia we have cca 100 km motorway in nord, 30 km motorway in east and cca 65 km expressways in central Sk "from anywhere to nowhere" and cca 80 km federal motorway in west used mainly for cross border connection.
It`s all true , but the territory of your country is something that you just have and you can`t change it, so I would rather think about Slovakian effort that can be evaluated by number of kilometres of motorways compared to number of people that pay taxes in the country, and it looks very good,
I compared Slovakia to Czech bacause Czech economy was always the strongest in our region (CZ, PL, SK, HU), but it looks that Slovaks that pay taxes built as many motorways as paying taxes Czechs ,
But the fact that you don`t have Bratislava in the middle , and the fact that Kosice are 450 km east behind mountains - you can`t do much about it.

we used to be very critical in ex-communist Central Europe but I said "good result" becasue "that result" in my opinion it`s not much worse then in some "Western" countries - for instance Italy has 60 milion people and 6500 km motorways

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Old January 19th, 2010, 11:16 AM   #1170
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we cannot round up/down czech motorways and slovak population. length of czech motorways is 1.113 km and length of hungarian motorways is similar. they have not 2x more people but 1,85. 522 km x 1,85 is 966 km. and we still have to consider at least 80 km motorway D2 with totally excentrical location.

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But the fact that you don`t have Bratislava in the middle , and the fact that Kosice are 450 km east behind mountains - you can`t do much about it.
yes, we have to optimise our motorways/roads - through the mountains/hilly country with low population density we can build half profiles or road reconstructions....and it´s a problem, czechs and hungarians build many bypasses and rebuild many km roads continuous in line with EU norms....and we not. for example road E77 from dolny kubin to polish border is a disaster and I could continue.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 01:52 PM   #1171
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hungarians build many bypasses and rebuild many km roads continuous in line with EU norms....

where???

I think we are building too many motorways and too few mainroad bypasses...
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Old January 19th, 2010, 02:11 PM   #1172
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we cannot round up/down czech motorways and slovak population. length of czech motorways is 1.113 km and length of hungarian motorways is similar. they have not 2x more people but 1,85. 522 km x 1,85 is 966 km. and we still have to consider at least 80 km motorway D2 with totally excentrical location.
Czech Republic has 1.92 times more inhabitants (x 522 = 1,002 km) so yes, they are better, on the other hand there is about 200 km of D1 a D2 in terrible shape and those roads barely deserve to be called motorways.

I don't know what's wrong with D2? Bratislava has excentric location thus all motorways around it have excentric location as well.

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yes, we have to optimise our motorways/roads - through the mountains/hilly country with low population density we can build half profiles or road reconstructions....and it´s a problem, czechs and hungarians build many bypasses and rebuild many km roads continuous in line with EU norms....and we not. for example road E77 from dolny kubin to polish border is a disaster and I could continue.
Motorways we are building usually lead through densely populated mountain areas or narrow mountain valleys. Check the map on previous page. And sorry, but what's optimising of motorways and roads?

Slovakia isn't building only continuous stretches radiating from capital like it's in Hungary (however, there are exceptions too), but it's natural due to location of Bratislava. Obviously, there are continuous (although short) connections of Bratislava and Czech Republic/Hungary/Austria. Within few months there will continuous 200 km stretch Bratislava - Žilina and next year there will be continuous 200 km stretch Bratislava - Banská Bystrica (D1+R1) and it's possible in 5 years there will be continuous 450 km long stretch of D1.

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I don't know what's wrong with D2? Bratislave has eccentric location thus all motorways around it has eccentric location as well.
Mr Bean is eccentric. I guess you mean excentric
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Old January 19th, 2010, 03:14 PM   #1174
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Mr Bean is eccentric. I guess you mean excentric
Bratislava is both.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 05:54 PM   #1175
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we cannot round up/down czech motorways and slovak population. length of czech motorways is 1.113 km and length of hungarian motorways is similar. they have not 2x more people but 1,85. 522 km x 1,85 is 966 km
966 km , 1002 km - almost the same , no point to argue about 60 km more or less

Poland - 38 milion people and 1300 2x2 A and S roads - that`s the difference
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Old January 19th, 2010, 05:57 PM   #1176
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Within few months there will continuous 200 km stretch Bratislava - Žilina and next year there will be continuous 200 km stretch Bratislava - Banská Bystrica (D1+R1)
yes that`s great
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966 km vs. 1.113 km is no point to argue too ?

the point is :equally located czech motorways connect cca 3/4 of population and slovak motorways cca 1/3 of population.

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within almost 2 years...when we want to be exact. we cannot compare state in Sk motorways in 2011 with state in czech/hungarian motorways now.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 07:02 PM   #1178
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the point is :equally located czech motorways connect cca 3/4 of population and slovak motorways cca 1/3 of population.
if D1 is finished from BA to Kosice , what will be that percentage look like ?
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966 km vs. 1.113 km is no point to argue too ?

the point is :equally located czech motorways connect cca 3/4 of population and slovak motorways cca 1/3 of population.

within almost 2 years...when we want to be exact. we cannot compare state in Sk motorways in 2011 with state in czech/hungarian motorways now.
Considering population 1,113 / 1.92 = 580 (approximately). Slovakia has 522 so the difference is 58 km in favour of Czech Republic, which is after all richer country. On the other hand, as I've said in Czech Republic there's about 200 km of motorways in terrible shape.

BTW, we can say Bratislava - Žilina is already connected, there's just 9 km gap.

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if D1 is finished from BA to Kosice , what will be that percentage look like ?
It's difficult to say. With D1 Bratislava - Košice and D1+R1 Bratislava - Banská Bystrica completely finished almost all major cities will have access to continuous motorways/expressways, but there will be still some regions from where you will have to drive more than one hour to reach the closest continuous motorway.

This is list of 30 Slovakia's biggest cities/towns, cities which already have connection to Bratislava by a continuous motorway/expressway are marked blue, cities connected after D1 and R1 will be finished are red (I count only towns which can access the motorway/expressway within 30 minutes, but overwhelming majority of them is accessible in few minutes and I ignore possible other stretches which may be built and which can a bit change that chart).

1 Bratislava 426091
2 Košice 234596
3 Prešov 91650
4 Žilina 85477
(actually, you can reach continuous D1 from Žilina within 30 minutes, but let's wait few month and it will 0 minutes)
5 Nitra 84800
6 Banská Bystrica 80730
7 Trnava 68466
8 Martin 59014
9 Trenčín 56760
10 Poprad 55042
11 Prievidza 51201
12 Zvolen 43006
13 Považská Bystrica 41989
14 Nové Zámky 41140
15 Michalovce 39866
16 Spišská Nová Ves 38357
17 Komárno 36279 (it has already access to Hungarian M1)
18 Levice 35980
19 Humenné 34916
20 Bardejov 33356
21 Liptovský Mikuláš 32786
22 Ružomberok 29908
23 Piešťany 29660
24 Topoľčany 28685
25 Lučenec 27790
26 Čadca 25852
27 Dubnica nad Váhom 25427
28 Rimavská Sobota 24374
29 Partizánske 24340
30 Šaľa 24256

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Considering population 1,113 / 1.92 = 580 (approximately). Slovakia has 522 so the difference is 58 km in favour of Czech Republic, which is after all richer country. On the other hand, as I've said in Czech Republic there's about 200 km of motorways in terrible shape.
exactly this is what I think as well, Czech Rep is reacher but that
motorways ratio km/population is about equal
to finish D1 you need to invest much more money then Czechs
and that`s not your fault
look at the reachest country in the world - Norway , they don`t have
motorway network because they have very difficult terrain
and it`s even nonsense to built motorways there , in Norway
they have only some small motorway sections around Oslo,
same in Finland only around Helsinki , in Sweden even Goteborg - Stockholm motorway is not finished and Malmo - Stockholm I think they finished
not so long ago


maybe Czechs have much better local roads - I don`t know but that`s
the different story
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