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Old January 30th, 2010, 10:35 AM   #1221
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At these photos can see expressway R1 between Banská Bystrica and Zvolen (in the background) at night.

that looks like mordor from the LOTR...
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Old January 30th, 2010, 04:02 PM   #1222
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1) 366/189 is 1,936...it´s equally so I have right. we can talk about terrain as well as czech/slovak gdp....
It's more or less equal length-wise, but it's not equal cost-wise. Those 366 km in CZ weren't two times more expensive that those 189 km in SK, it was rather 4 times. Yes, Czech Republic had bigger GDP, but not 4 times.

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I have read a study about the tolls in future...interval of figures was 3-7 cents/km, and this study was written before PPP projetcs....so I´m sure, it will be about 5-7 cents like in many west countries. so 30 km nitra-z. moravce and back or zilina-martin etc...will cost no 50 but 60-90 €/month. and one journey bratislava-kosice (about 430 km) 20-30 €. we can thank for those motorways
Any link? PPP projects 1, 2 and 3 (D1 and R1) are not supposed to be paid entirely by toll. The toll at those section would have to be extremely high, toll collected on other sections will be income of National Motorway Company. Toll on both state owned and PPP motorways will be the same. Majority of PPP payments will be paid from taxes.

If you are talking about toll for vehicles under 3.5 t, I haven't seen any serious and definite draft or study about when it will be introduced and how much it will cost, but I strongly doubt any government would be able (in close future) to afford introduction of toll 7 cents per kilometre. Cars under 3.5 t could always use national roads instead so they would have to toll them as well, otherwise toll won't bring any additional income and tolled national roads are basically government suicide. I think toll for vehicles under 3.5 t won't be introduced before 2015 (general elections in 2014) and it will be much less than 7 cents per km. No matter what will be PPP costs, toll must respect purchasing power of inhabitants otherwise the government will fall.

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I don´t believe it. state budged has only about 130 mil. €/2010 for all M/E ways and next years will be similar. project lists od eurofunds include a few sections in south of central Sk, it´s very good, but almost nothing in horna nitra, nothing in zemplin and nothing in danube region to nove zamky....nothing on E77. in orava are 2 bypasses and that´s all.
Your problem is in case of Slovakia you predict always the most pessimist scenario while in case of other countries you are optimist. Of course I'm not prophet, but area around Prievidza has great chance to improve its connection within few years considering present political situation. I share your pessimism in case of motorway eastern of Košice though.

BTW, budget for construction of motorways and expressways this year is 573 million €.
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Old January 30th, 2010, 04:18 PM   #1223
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D1 Považská Bystrica

Source: http://dialnicapb.blogspot.com/2010/...nuar-2010.html. I recommend this blog, there are tons of photos of this section. Click on the pictures and bigger version will appear.




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Old January 31st, 2010, 02:22 PM   #1224
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D1 Svinia - Prešov West

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Old January 31st, 2010, 03:44 PM   #1225
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Nice pictures.

I like that white-black and white-red design of the bridges/viaducts as well as architecture of them.

Thank you for posting them.

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Old January 31st, 2010, 11:37 PM   #1226
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D1 Hríčovské Podhradie (Žilina) -Ivanka pri Dunaji sever (Bratislava)

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D1 is a motorway (Slovak: diaľnica) in Slovakia. Its route is Bratislava (D2/D4) - Trnava (R1) - Trenčín (R2) - Púchov (R6) - Žilina (D3) - Martin (R3) - Poprad - Prešov (R4) - Košice (R4) - Michalovce - SK/UA border.
It forms part of the following European routes: E50, E58, E75, E571 and of the V.A Pan-European corridor (Trieste) - Bratislava - Žilina - Košice - Uzhorod - (Lviv)

Out of the total 517 km are:
295 km in operation (16,6 km as a semi-highway)
99 km under construction
117 km in planning

In wester Slovakia and in Považie region is 164 km in use between Bratislava a Považská Bystrica and 13 km between Považská Bystrica and Žilina. Last 10 km part of D1 BA-ZA is under construction. It will be open in May.



30.1.2010 about 12:00-13:30 GTM + 1

Airport Žilina








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Emergency airport near Nové Mesto nad Váhom. (New City upon Váh )




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Old January 31st, 2010, 11:48 PM   #1227
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Great photos. Thank you.
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Old February 1st, 2010, 02:12 AM   #1228
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Cool photos!

I know I behave like Verso, but, it's Hričovské Podhradie, not Hríčovské and D1 starts at interchange with D2 only, not D4.
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Old February 1st, 2010, 04:19 AM   #1229
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Old February 1st, 2010, 10:57 AM   #1230
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hose 366 km in CZ weren't two times more expensive that those 189 km in SK, it was rather 4 times. Yes, Czech Republic had bigger GDP, but not 4 times
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I haven't seen any serious and definite draft or study about when it will be introduced and how much it will cost, but I strongly doubt any government would be able (in close future) to afford introduction of toll 7 cents per kilometre.
nobody talk gladly about unpopular steps. this government is able to introduce toll system on cca 3x larger section of I. c. roads like M/eways with expensive fees. it brings any additional income or do you think throught this is government more popular ? because of 157 km PPP M/eways (toll from this roads will be income od state) they can introduce high fees on all M/Eways....general director would be able introduce toll system under 3,5 t. on ALL NATIONAL ROADS too, you didn´t heard about it ?

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Your problem is in case of Slovakia you predict always the most pessimist scenario while in case of other countries you are optimist.
pink glasses again. other countries manage their road network better, I´m afraid.
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Old February 1st, 2010, 05:32 PM   #1231
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www.dalnice-silnice.cz Feel free to count it.

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nobody talk gladly about unpopular steps. this government is able to introduce toll system on cca 3x larger section of I. c. roads like M/eways with expensive fees. it brings any additional income or do you think throught this is government more popular ? because of 157 km PPP M/eways (toll from this roads will be income od state) they can introduce high fees on all M/Eways....general director would be able introduce toll system under 3,5 t. on ALL NATIONAL ROADS too, you didn´t heard about it ?
I have no idea what are you trying to say, my English is far from perfect but your is terrible. But, if you want to say there will be toll for vehicles under 3,5 t on national roads you are wrong.

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pink glasses again. other countries manage their road network better, I´m afraid.
You are basically saying there won't be built anything but PPP projects and everybody who says there will be built both PPP and other motorways and expressways wears pink glasses. Do you really think PPP means the end of motorway construction in Slovakia?
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Old February 1st, 2010, 06:45 PM   #1232
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Cool photos!
Thank you. I haven`t been there for two months (I mean BA-ZA) so I am glad to share my feelings with you.

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I know I behave like Verso, but, it's Hričovské Podhradie, not Hríčovské and D1 starts at interchange with D2 only, not D4.

I see, thank you. Wikipedia is not perefect.

and my Slovak neither.. (of course with English :X)
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Old February 1st, 2010, 08:36 PM   #1233
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After 1,5 hour-Bratislava
Thats fast.
BTW I passed through Bratislava-Senec a month ago, does anybody know when the orange marking will be ..disappeared?
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Thats fast.
BTW I passed through Bratislava-Senec a month ago, does anybody know when the orange marking will be ..disappeared?
Yes, it is. Average speed was about 140 or 160 km/h in some parts of motorway. Motorway wasn`t so crowded.

Btw, that orange marking between Bratislava and Trnava is realy horrible. I`ll be glad when I`ll see there normal, white marking.
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BTW I passed through Bratislava-Senec a month ago, does anybody know when the orange marking will be ..disappeared?
Not before 2015.
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Old February 2nd, 2010, 01:36 AM   #1236
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Don't forget new vignette!

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www.dalnice-silnice.cz Feel free to count it.
there are comparable prices in czech/slovak part, because this sections were build in socialism and prices in socialism were low. building of motorways was equally, I´m afraid. more expensive are tunnels for 70 mil. €/km vs. motorway for 10-20 mil. €/km.... and not motorway in czech highland before 30 years which is only hilly country vs. our motorways near TT for example..

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perhabs no but It said minister of transport, mainly I´m trying to say ... It´s sure that there will be toll for vehicles under 3,5 t on M/Eways. contiguous motorways will be useless for local trafic - they can use parallel roads and tranzit west-east can use other routes.
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Old February 2nd, 2010, 07:38 PM   #1238
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there are comparable prices in czech/slovak part, because this sections were build in socialism and prices in socialism were low. building of motorways was equally, I´m afraid. more expensive are tunnels for 70 mil. €/km vs. motorway for 10-20 mil. €/km.... and not motorway in czech highland before 30 years which is only hilly country vs. our motorways near TT for example..
You didn't get my point. Obviously motorway in flat terrain is cheaper than motorway in highlands. In Slovakia there were built only motorways in flat terrain (except one short section of northern D1 which is actually an expressway). In Czech Republic there were built pretty expensive sections in highlands. Thus length was comparable in both countries, but funds spent on motorway construction in both countries weren't equal. There was spent much more money in Czech Republic, not only two times more. It's not difficult to understand, if you want I'll write it to you in Slovak...

BTW, why do you think prices were low? Low figures don't mean it was cheap. Have you ever heard about inflation?
BTW2, I don't know what are you trying to say about those tunnels. There wasn't build a single motorway tunnel in both countries and we are comparing construction before 1993 not tunnels U/C now.

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perhabs no but It said minister of transport, mainly I´m trying to say ... It´s sure that there will be toll for vehicles under 3,5 t on M/Eways. contiguous motorways will be useless for local trafic - they can use parallel roads and tranzit west-east can use other routes.
Toll (under 3.5 t) will be definitelly only on motorways and expressways.
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Old February 2nd, 2010, 07:42 PM   #1239
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I think it's really worth an that Slovakia is building all those tunnels with twin tubes.
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