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Old February 4th, 2010, 11:37 PM   #1261
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Old February 5th, 2010, 12:48 AM   #1262
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financial accessibility of motor and expressways after introduction of toll system under 3,5 t for transit & local traffic.
Motorways and expressways are not built for local traffic. It may affect transit traffic though, it would depend on prices which will be set in neighbouring countries.

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Actually, I found different numbers. According to Slovak assosiation of insurance companies (see http://www.skp.sk/?lng=eng&MODULE=7&SECTION=7), there were 2,024,000 cars insured in Slovakia in 2008. Compared to country population of 5,463,046 citizens it gives the ratio of 370 cars per 1000 citizens, which is comparable to Czech republic.
Interesting data. Growth rate is impressive. In 2007: 1,891,176 in 2008: 2,024,075. Difference is 132,899 cars - more than 7% increase. Now it's much smaller I guess.

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Hungarians buy and register a lot of cars in Slovakia for financial purposes (ahem,tax evasion).
I don't think this is a significant figure. Last time when I was in Hungary I barely saw some cars with Slovak plates further from the border. Close to the border they were everywhere, but that's natural.
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Old February 5th, 2010, 02:49 AM   #1263
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Actually, I found different numbers. According to Slovak assosiation of insurance companies (see http://www.skp.sk/?lng=eng&MODULE=7&SECTION=7), there were 2,024,000 cars insured in Slovakia in 2008. Compared to country population of 5,463,046 citizens it gives the ratio of 370 cars per 1000 citizens, which is comparable to Czech republic.
This should do for CZ. But it's still just like 10% difference, there are far more factors affecting the traffic volumes.

BTW this thread became highly amusing recently.
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Old February 5th, 2010, 08:29 AM   #1264
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Killed on roads statistics for Central Europe and plan of EU for 2010, Hungary is closest to reach -50% decrease against 2002, also Slovakia and Czechia have good chance, no way for Austria and Poland


and more detailed statistics for Slovakia
small vocabulary:
dopravne nehody - road accidents
celkovy pocet - total sum (of all accidents by evidence of police, real number is higher)
obete/usmrteni - dead
lahko zraneni - light injuries
tazko zraneni - serious injuries

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Old February 5th, 2010, 09:11 AM   #1265
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Motorways and expressways are not built for local traffic. It may affect transit traffic though, it would depend on prices which will be set in neighbouring countries.
yes, I agree, but I talk about intensities on motorways after introduction of toll system under 3,5 t. will we have motorways of ghosts ?
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Old February 5th, 2010, 09:24 AM   #1266
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yes, I agree, but I talk about intensities on motorways after introduction of toll system under 3,5 t. will we have motorways of ghosts ?
No, motorways are also built for local traffic. For example the average voyage on Italian motorways network is just 40km. Long distance traffic is almost always overestimated.
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Old February 5th, 2010, 10:16 AM   #1267
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Actually, I found different numbers. According to Slovak assosiation of insurance companies (see http://www.skp.sk/?lng=eng&MODULE=7&SECTION=7), there were 2,024,000 cars insured in Slovakia in 2008. Compared to country population of 5,463,046 citizens it gives the ratio of 370 cars per 1000 citizens, which is comparable to Czech republic.
Don't think so, that number probably includes all kinds of vehicles. In Czech Rep there were 6 263 313 cars insured in 2008,
http://www.ckp.cz/english/statistiky.htm
http://www.ckp.cz/tisk/statistiky_a_informace.php?id=5
having population 10,5 mil it gives ratio 596 cars per 1000 citizens.
CZ/SK ratio is then 596/370 = 1,61

But I guess Eurostat data are more comparable http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/tgm...pc340&plugin=1,
they provide motorisation rate cars per 1 000 inhabitants for 2006 in CZ 399 while SK 247. CZ/SK ratio 399/247 = 1,61, pretty much the same number as above.

Population density CZ 133, SK 110, CZ/SK ratio 133/110 = 1,21.

Combined these two 1,61*1,21 = 1,95, so the traffic should be aprox two times denser in CZ.

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but the most important is, how many inhabitans have motorway or expressway connection with capital city and western europe.
Why? I would say pretty much the contrary, most important is motorway connection among regions. International traffic near borders has low density.
For decentralised countries connection with Capital is less important and I would say it's better that way. Most traffic you get inside the country amongs regions so motorway network shoul be built there preferentially. Connection with neighbouring countries have least significance on the contrary, traffic density map gives you the clue.
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Old February 5th, 2010, 10:24 AM   #1269
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No, motorways are also built for local traffic. For example the average voyage on Italian motorways network is just 40km. Long distance traffic is almost always overestimated.
Yep, people drive 20 km to work, or 60 km to a family visit, but how many people drive more than 100 kilometers? Those are irregular trips which most people take only a few times per year. This gives low average distances on motorways.
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Old February 5th, 2010, 01:08 PM   #1270
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but how many people drive more than 100?

I never drive less than 100km on motorways because of vignette...

preferably I avoid them and I go across villages ******* fast...
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Old February 6th, 2010, 12:21 AM   #1271
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Distribution of local traffic between motorways and national roads depends on local road conditions. Commuter from some village which is 10 km from the town probably won't use motorway since there's no nearby junction. Commuter from some municipality which 20 or 30 km away may use motorway, but if there's good parallel road he would probably prefer it as it's for free. Motorways have usually decent parallel roads.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 04:31 PM   #1272
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Yep, people drive 20 km to work, or 60 km to a family visit, but how many people drive more than 100 kilometers? Those are irregular trips which most people take only a few times per year. This gives low average distances on motorways.
There are many people which are travelling around 100 km or more twice a week, especially from Bratislava to the hometown for a weekend and back on Sunday, on my way home I use around 90 km of D1 and R1 to Nitra, but I agree that average distance is lower because of daily travelers to work.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 08:04 PM   #1273
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D1 Hričovské Podhradie - Dubná Skala

Construction of motorway D1 Hričovské Podhradie - Dubná Skala (southern bypass of Žilina) including feeder Lietavská Lúčka which will connect southern Žilina with the motorway officially started on Friday. These sections are contained in PPP project nr. 3. Major works should start in June when the concessionaire will gather needed funds. The motorway should be put in use in 2013, 7.5 km long tunnel Višňové now renamed to Hoblík (according to hill under which it's going to be built) will be put in use in 2014. Construction cost will be almost 2 billion €.




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Old February 7th, 2010, 09:04 PM   #1274
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So all remaining parts between Bratislava and Kosice are now U/C?
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Old February 7th, 2010, 09:18 PM   #1275
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So all remaining parts between Bratislava and Kosice are now U/C?
All parts are actually under construction, but without bypass of Prešov. I realy don`t know why this section is not part of PPP project.

Btw, there is still missing second tube of tunnel Branisko. You can see that on a map.

Vivat overpriced D1 PPP project ZA-KE!
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Construction of motorway D1 Hričovské Podhradie - Dubná Skala (southern bypass of Žilina) including feeder Lietavská Lúčka which will connect southern Žilina with the motorway officially started on Friday. These sections are contained in PPP project nr. 3. Major works should start in June when the concessionaire will gather needed funds. The motorway should be put in use in 2013, 7.5 km long tunnel Višňové now renamed to Hoblík (according to hill under which it's going to be built) will be put in use in 2014. Construction cost will be almost 2 billion €.
2 billion!? A little much!?

How long is that section?
A 7 to 8 km 2-tube tunnel cost around 200 and 300 million EUR. Any other big works there?
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Old February 7th, 2010, 10:18 PM   #1277
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2 billion!? A little much!?

How long is that section?
A 7 to 8 km 2-tube tunnel cost around 200 and 300 million EUR. Any other big works there?
As I said, it`s realy overpriced part of motorway, but there are 3 tunnels -

- Tunel Ovčiarsko 2275m
- Tunel Žilina 1370m
- Tunel Višňové 7460m

and many bridges

- Estakáda Dolný Hričov 1804m
- Estakáda Lietavská Lúčka 1091m
- Estakáda Turie
- Estakáda Višňové 1
- Estakáda Višňové 2

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8.5bn € for the construction and 30 years of maintenance?! Holy crap!
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8.5bn € for the construction and 30 years of maintenance?! Holy crap!
It's pretty common for Slovakia.

I hope that price will respond to quality.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 10:59 PM   #1280
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Hello Slovakia.
I will go on Tuesday in Slovakia from Budapest - Vac - Sahy - Zvolen - Banska Bystrica - Ruzomberok - Liptovsky Mikulas.
How is the road? Which is the speed limit in the urban area? 50 or 60 km/h? Thank you.
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