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Old November 21st, 2010, 04:47 PM   #1861
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Yes, recently a truck took down a pedestrian bridge on German A2 near Bielefeld, and this summer a truck took down an entire gantry on the Dutch A12 near Woerden.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 06:55 PM   #1862
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R3 Horna Stubna bypass on the road from Martin to Ziar nad Hronom was opened today (1+1, 4,3km, 20mil €). Article in slovak: http://www.webnoviny.sk/ekonomika/ob...73-clanok.html



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Old November 23rd, 2010, 06:56 PM   #1863
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Hmm, it doesn't look like it can easily be converted to 2x2 expressway.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 07:09 PM   #1864
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AADT in 2005 was just 3374 v/day, so 2 lanes will probably be enough for many years
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 07:38 PM   #1865
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Hmm, it doesn't look like it can easily be converted to 2x2 expressway.
Who knows why but all sections of R3 were built like that one. Anyway, AADT is really poor so we will need 2x2 in 2030 I bet.

What are we going to talk about when D1 will be done!

just a joke, it will takes ages to finish the most important motorway and there are so many important roads - R2 to Košice, D4, R7 to Dunajská Streda, parts of R3 and we have to improve quality of our I. roads! :P
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 07:42 PM   #1866
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I doubt if this road should be classified as "R3". It could just as well be a part of the I/65. I don't see any grade-separated interchanges, it's just a bypass.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 07:46 PM   #1867
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I doubt if this road should be classified as "R3". It could just as well be a part of the I/65. I don't see any grade-separated interchanges, it's just a bypass.
Thanks God there is no junction. Nowadays NDS builds junctions for every single village. Well, it is not the best idea. It is expressway just in 2 lanes but not I. class road.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 08:26 PM   #1868
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I doubt if this road should be classified as "R3". It could just as well be a part of the I/65. I don't see any grade-separated interchanges, it's just a bypass.
Half-profile expressways are officialy (for the need of Slovak Road Maintenance) classified as 1st-class-roads. E.g.: R2 Ožďany is I/50A and R2 Tornaľa-Figa is I/50B.

The same it will be with this bypass of Horná Štubňa - I/65x (I don't know which letter the Slovak Road Maintenance will choose )
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 08:30 PM   #1869
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Half-profile expressways are officialy (for the need of Slovak Road Maintenance) classified as 1st-class-roads. E.g.: R2 Ožďany is I/50A and R2 Tornaľa-Figa is I/50B.

The same it will be with this bypass of Horná Štubňa - I/65x (I don't know which letter the Slovak Road Maintenance will choose )
Is it just because maintenance is there by SSC and not by NDS? Weird.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 08:33 PM   #1870
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Is it just because maintenance is there by SSC and not by NDS? Weird.
All the these expressway bypasses are under NDS maintenance. Or not?
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 08:36 PM   #1871
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A mistake many countries made (most prominently France) is to relate the road number to the road authority (e.g. national authority or lower government). This is a mistake. A numbering system should make sense according to the route they form and function they have, not according to whom the road belongs.
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All the these expressway bypasses are under NDS maintenance. Or not?
What matters? It was built by NDS and it is expressway. R1 will have maintence by investor so is it going to be some PPP2 road except of R1? It is the weirdiest thing I have ever heard or I am weird.
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A numbering system should make sense.
The Slovak numbering system of roads absolutely doesn't make sense. It is combination of relict from Czechoslovakian federation and stupidity of some people.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 08:47 PM   #1874
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The Slovak numbering system of roads absolutely doesn't make sense. It is combination of relict from Czechoslovakian federation and stupidity of some people.
I bet nothing will change in next years because it is too "expensive" to change old system form federation. What's our hope is that we will maybe have proper numbering system of motorway and expressway network.
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I bet nothing will change in next years because it is too "expensive" to change old system form federation. What's our hope is that we will maybe have proper numbering system of motorway and expressway network.
It's prepared to repeatedly change our road-signs so older ones should be changed - this is some small chance to enforce the new numbering. But who knows whether the changes of road signage will be accepted. It is connected with introducing new signage font (Tern) and our signage manufacturer are against it. They are afraid of rivals from abroad (espacially from Austria where they use Tern).

But prepared signage changes (as I saw them) are very practical.
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TERN sucks. It looks good on paper - not signage.
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TERN sucks. It looks good on paper - not signage.
I absolutely agree with you. Tern is horrible. My favourite font is SNV (exSwitzerland, postYugoslav republics, Romania and Bulgaria)
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 09:00 PM   #1878
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Do I understand correctly that this new section may be closed one day per week for motor traffic? Authorities agreed to implement it already. Are they going to make it?

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Btw. I drove on I65 a couple of weeks ago and must say traffic volume there isn't too high. But I noticed(who wouldn't ) really bad part of that road. Are there any plans to repave that quite long section.

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After old concrete-deep ruts.






I am quite sorry for posting images of such a bad road from the country I like so much, therefore must say it is a very exception to 99% roads I have driven on Slovakia.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 09:05 PM   #1879
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Unfortunately there is no such thing as "repaving" concrete. It usually means the whole road has to be reconstructed. With asphalt, you can mill the top layer and repave it with fresh asphalt, but that doesn't work with concrete. That is why many road authorities constantly delay reconstructing old concrete roads, it costs a lot of money and traffic impact is significant due to the long-term road works associated with replacing concrete.

The extreme track formation on the last few pics show there is an improper foundation (as was the case with many central European roads before the 2000's). You cannot repave this easily, you need to add a foundation (basically building a whole new road). They do this a lot in Poland, where there is often only 10 - 15 cm of asphalt on a sand foundation that has been subsided or even washed away; hence potholes and track formation.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 09:08 PM   #1880
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Vehicles with top speed lower than 80kmh are not alowed on expressways, that's main difference between half profile expressways and normal bypasses on national roads. So driving on expressways is generally more fluent
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