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Old November 23rd, 2010, 09:12 PM   #1881
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Do I understand correctly that this new section may be closed one day per week for motor traffic? Authorities agreed to implement it already. Are they going to make it?
Yes you do but who knows what does it mean?

I will ask in Slovak SSC.

EDIT: I have just realised it was a joke when he wrote "padla zhoda" he thought it as a agreement between people who were there that it might be "good". ; )

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Btw. I drove on I65 a couple of weeks ago and must say traffic volume there isn't too high. But I noticed(who wouldn't ) really bad part of that road. Are there any plans to repave that quite long section.
Yeah, this road is the worst I have ever seen in Slovakia. NDS is still talking about R3 but it will takes ages. There are no plans by SSC to do some reconstruction, just by NDS to re-build it..

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I am quite sorry for posting images of such a bad road from the country I like so much, therefore must say it is a very exception to 99% roads I have driven on Slovakia.
I am not sure if I can handle it! You are very lucky that on these pisc are nice moutains!

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Old November 23rd, 2010, 09:12 PM   #1882
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Unfortunately there is no such thing as "repaving" concrete
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Yes, I used wrong word. I even felt I should have used something more appropriate.

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Old November 23rd, 2010, 11:18 PM   #1883
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Expressway R1 - By-pass of Nitra by Peter Paulík
How did they make people convince with such an alignment of expressway directly through the town? I believe it wasn't easy.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 11:20 PM   #1884
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 11:23 PM   #1885
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How did they make people convince with such an alignment of expressway directly through the town? I believe it wasn't easy.
People were really pleased and it is just in the middle of factories etc. - http://goo.gl/maps/J4UJ
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Old November 24th, 2010, 12:08 AM   #1886
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EDIT: I have just realised it was a joke when he wrote "padla zhoda" he thought it as a agreement between people who were there that it might be "good". ; )
I don't get Slovak jokes

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... You are very lucky that on these pisc are nice moutains!...
I feel better now.
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Old November 24th, 2010, 01:14 AM   #1887
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But we get Polish jokes - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=4456

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How did they make people convince with such an alignment of expressway directly through the town? I believe it wasn't easy.
and in fact there was no another good solution, I just know there was proposed some tunnel..

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Old November 24th, 2010, 07:17 PM   #1888
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I am quite sorry for posting images of such a bad road from the country I like so much, therefore must say it is a very exception to 99% roads I have driven on Slovakia.
There are more such roads. I/50 Drietoma - Mníchova Lehota (bypass of Trenčín), I/62 Senec - Sládkovičovo, I/75 Sládkovičovo - Galanta (both east of Bratislava). In case of I/50 they put asphalt on the concrete, but obviously it didn't help as the asphalt layer got cracked on exactly the same places where the the concrete was cracked.

Interestingly I/65 has place for second carriageway, but R3 doesn't

You can see it e.g. here, this bridge above I/65 was built with reserve for 2x2:
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This road is very straight and built as if it was planned as motorway. I could not find much about its history, however all what is said in the Internet let made myself certain that it has been constructed by Germans in the same period when Polish A4 or DK/A18. Then left untouched for many years, apart from some asphalted sections.
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Old November 24th, 2010, 08:55 PM   #1890
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This road is very straight and built as if it was planned as motorway. I could not find much about its history, however all what is said in the Internet let made myself certain that it has been constructed by Germans in the same period when Polish A4 or DK/A18. Then left untouched for many years, apart from some asphalted sections.
It was built as a motorway D26,5 (?). That is why there is space for another 2 lanes.
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This road is very straight and built as if it was planned as motorway. I could not find much about its history, however all what is said in the Internet let made myself certain that it has been constructed by Germans in the same period when Polish A4 or DK/A18. Then left untouched for many years, apart from some asphalted sections.
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It was built as a motorway D26,5 (?). That is why there is space for another 2 lanes.
The current surface wasn't built by Germans, it's not that old. But it's true it was built with reserve for second carriageway as it was eventually supposed to become motorway D65. But, the plans were cancelled and D65 was replaced by expressways R1 and R3. Now it's even possible the second carriageway won't be added to the I/65 and R3 will be built in its own corridor. IMO it's stupid. This road with new surface would be a perfect expressway.


BTW, road maintenance workers in Slovakia were again surprised by the snow, after all who would expect snow in November, and plenty of roads in Central Slovakia are only hardly drivable. Mountain pass Donovaly (E77) was closed for trucks.
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The current surface wasn't built by Germans, it's not that old.(..)
This is the quotation which let me assume that I65 and few other roads in Slovakia were built by Germans:

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Na Slovensku, ktoré bolo takisto mocensky podriadené Nemecku, sa prevažne budovali betónové bezprašné komunikácie, napríklad na Považí a Pohroní (dnešné cesty I/61, I/51 a I/65).
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Old November 25th, 2010, 01:03 PM   #1893
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This the quotation which let me assume that I65 and few other roads in Slovakia were built by Germans:



http://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hist%C3...t_na_Slovensku
I didn't know about that but obviously it is not so old. What I know is that it was built as a concrete road because of tanks that might go from Martin to Turcianske Teplice in case of war. There are many roads like this one around Martin built cos of tanks but those are not used by cars, just sometimes by bikes -

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&so...55697&t=h&z=13
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This is the quotation which let me assume that I65 and few other roads in Slovakia were built by Germans:

http://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hist%C3...t_na_Slovensku
Those roads were gradually reconstructed during socialism, now they have asphalt surface. It's no way possible for any road, even concrete one, to stay drivable for 60 years without resurfacing. Concrete section of I/65 is indeed old and bad, but not that old and bad.

Current concrete roads in Slovakia were built after WW2. Now they all need reconstruction which is being regularly postponed. Fortunatelly there isn't many of them. Concrete section of I/50 is supposed to become part of R2 and concrete section of I/65 will perhaps become part of R3, that's why noone is hurrying with their re-pavement. On the other hand I don't know why authorities hesitate when it comes to reconstruction of I/62 and I/75. Those roads are close to Bratislava and traffic there is pretty big as they are parallel to D1 and R1.
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Thanks for the answers but I am going to ask you, Slovak forumers, another question. To make it more clear I am some pictures showing what the query is about.

This is I59 near Banska Bystrica. Road signed as express-way.




Then, I66 which is also express-way.



And I50 at last.









All these roads are part of R1, however none of them is signed so. Some have the blue signboard, some green. Google maps show them double numbered...

...my card map does only with R1. No 'I' numbers at all.

Well, it's time to ask a simple question. What's the reason for that? What is the issue not numbering this section of R1 as it should have been numbered?
Interestingly, stretch from Hronsky Benedik to Zarnovica is all the way signed as R1 (haven't got any images because I was driving overnight there)
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Those roads were gradually reconstructed during socialism, now they have asphalt surface. It's no way possible for any road, even concrete one, to stay drivable for 60 years without resurfacing. Concrete section of I/65 is indeed old and bad, but not that old and bad.
You should go to Poland than or to Slovak village Kúty.
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Thanks for the answers but I am going to ask you, Slovak forumers, another question. To make it more clear I am some pictures showing what the query is about.

All these roads are part of R1, however none of them is signed so. Some have the blue signboard, some green. Google maps show them double numbered...

...my card map does only with R1. No 'I' numbers at all.

Well, it's time to ask a simple question. What's the reason for that? What is the issue not numbering this section of R1 as it should have been numbered?
Interestingly, stretch from Hronsky Benedik to Zarnovica is all the way signed as R1 (haven't got any images because I was driving overnight there)
The reason is classic Slovak road-numbering mess. Current R1 consists mostly of 2x2 national roads which were later equipped with sign "Road for motor vehicles" to get rid of slow vehicles and green signs. It's not long time ago there were even bus stops between Žiar nad Hronom and Zvolen. This road was commonly called expressway R1, but legally it consisted of several national roads and signs were made according to its official status except the colour of the destination signs. As I've said - mess.

Now the R1 was finally officially recognised and the signs are being replaced. Western section Trnava - Nitra already has signs with "R1" as well as recently opened section west of Žiar nad Hronom and all currently U/C section will have them too. Soon also the rest of R1 will get the new "R1" signs.

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You should go to Poland than or to Slovak village Kúty.
I believe those German concrete roads in Poland were already resurfaced. That short stretch of I/2 in Kúty is not concrete and it's the only such road in Slovakia, so not a big deal.
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Some good news from today:

Motorway D1, 18.5 km long section Jánovce-Jablonov near Unesco town Levoča goes to tender. Motorway tender winner to be known on 7th of February.

Visualisation by NDS

lol, I would like to see there "so many" cars




Slovak article - http://ekonomika.sme.sk/c/5656714/nd...-jablonov.html

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Levoca, where route E50 goes close to the historic city walls

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Levoča, where the old town (not city ) is really nice -





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